This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit <a href="https://abbieattwoodwellness.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_7">abbieattwoodwellness.substack.com</a><br/><br/><p>This is part two of my conversation with Kate Zigrang, founder of Viva Voce — and this is where everything shifts.</p><p>To hear it: <a target="_blank" href="https://abbieattwoodwellness.substack.com/subscribe"><em>abbieattwoodwellness.substack.com/subscribe</em></a></p><p>We left off last week with Kate at a turning point: an OCD diagnosis, a doctor who finally told her the truth about her health, and something beginning to loosen. This episode is about what came next — the harder, slower, more relational work of actually stepping out of diet culture after a lifetime inside it.</p><p>We cover:</p><p>* Going no contact with her parents — the decision, the grief, and what space it created</p><p>* The complicated dynamic with her mom: over-apologizing, enmeshment, and why leaving felt both impossible and necessary</p><p>* The slow, specific work of separating her own body from her mother's — learning to look at herself without dread</p><p>* Religious deconstruction happening simultaneously with the body acceptance work and the mental health work — all three threads unraveling at once</p><p>* The Manhattan pants incident — eighteen months of traveling the world, unable to find a single pair of pants in her size anywhere in New York City, and the rage that became a turning point</p><p>* What Viva Voce actually is — a marketplace vetting brands for ethics, sustainability, and genuine size inclusivity</p><p>* Why she insists on carrying straight and plus sizes in the same space</p><p>* The pop-up strategy — and why she's bringing it to smaller cities on purpose</p><p>* A data project collecting real body measurements to understand how clothes could actually be made better</p><p>* Why belonging is at the center of every decision she makes — and what that looks like in practice</p><p>This episode is for paid subscribers. If you'd like access to this conversation and the full archive, you can subscribe here:</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://abbieattwoodwellness.substack.com/subscribe">abbieattwoodwellness.substack.com/subscribe</a></p><p><em>Find Kate and Viva Voce at </em><a target="_blank" href="http://vivavoce.live"><em>vivavoce.live</em></a><em> and on Instagram @</em><a target="_blank" href="http://vivavoce.live"><em>vivavoce.live</em></a></p><p>Support the show: Enjoying this podcast? Please support the show on Substack for bonus episodes, community engagement, and access to "Ask Abbie" at <a target="_blank" href="http://abbieattwoodwellness.substack.com/subscribe">abbieattwoodwellness.substack.com/subscribe</a></p><p></p><p>Apply for Abbie’s Group Membership:</p><p>Already been at this anti-diet culture thing for a while, but want community and continued learning? Apply for Abbie's monthly membership: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.abbieattwoodwellness.com/circle-monthly-group">https://www.abbieattwoodwellness.com/circle-monthly-group</a></p><p></p><p>Find the show on Instagram: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.instagram.com/fullplate.podcast/">@fullplate.podcast</a></p><p>Find Abbie on Instagram: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.instagram.com/abbieattwoodwellness/">@abbieattwoodwellness</a></p><p>Podcast Cover Photography by Anya McInroy</p><p>Podcast Editing by Brian Walters</p><p></p>