<p>Michele Kawamoto Perry of the Forward Project, joins Nadia and Rob to reflect on the year in leadership that was 2025 and to help us think about what will matter most in 2026. Nadia and Rob also check out an investment analysts' assessment that the federal poverty line should be $140K and discuss the latest McKinsey/Lean In survey on the state of women in the workplace. Later, the rare double rant Nadia rants SHRM's less than model employer behavior and Rob cheers on Costco.</p><p>Articles referenced in the show:</p><p>Poverty Line: <a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2025/12/03/poverty-line-140000-green-affordability-inflation/87573416007/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2025/12/03/poverty-line-140000-green-affordability-inflation/87573416007/</a></p><p>Mckinsey/Lean in: <a href="https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2025-12-09/why-are-women-leaning-out-of-workplace-advancement?utm_source=chatgpt.com" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2025-12-09/why-are-women-leaning-out-of-workplace-advancement?utm_source=chatgpt.com</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Connect with Michele: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelekawamotoperry/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelekawamotoperry/⁠</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Learn more about The Forward Project: <a href="www.theforwardproject.co" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">www.theforwardproject.co</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Learn more about Expressions of Leadership Podcast:</p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/expressions-of-leadership-show/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/expressions-of-leadership-show/</a></p><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/expressions-of-leadership/id1787230408" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/expressions-of-leadership/id1787230408</a></p><p><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/47UGcBb1aMOBA4wqvIuZI0" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://open.spotify.com/show/47UGcBb1aMOBA4wqvIuZI0</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Find season 5 episode transcripts here: <a href="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bP3N6QYBG0UkzdRm5GwiFfoQLvGtIRrK?usp=sharing " target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bP3N6QYBG0UkzdRm5GwiFfoQLvGtIRrK?usp=sharing </a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us: Visit <a href="http://www.nazconsultants.com" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">http://www.nazconsultants.com</a> to learn more about Dr. Nadia Butt’s work in leadership, culture, and organizational effectiveness, and check out <a href="http://www.tekanoconsulting.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">http://www.tekanoconsulting.com/</a> to explore Rob Hadley’s approach to data-driven inclusive strategy. </p><p><br /></p><p>Send us your thoughts or topic ideas at [email protected]</p><p><br /></p><p>Follow Inclusive Collective </p><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/inclusivecollective/ " target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/inclusivecollective/ </a></p><p>YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@inclusivecollectivepodcast" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/@inclusivecollectivepodcast</a> </p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/inclusivecollectivepodcast/ " target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://www.instagram.com/inclusivecollectivepodcast/ </a></p><p>Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/InclusiveCollective/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://www.facebook.com/InclusiveCollective/</a> </p><p><br /></p><p>Connect with Nadia: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nadianazbutt/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://www.linkedin.com/in/nadianazbutt/</a> </p><p>Connect with Rob: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-hadley-utah/ " target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-hadley-utah/ </a></p><p><br /></p>