Becoming an AI PM | Aman Khan (Arize AI, ex-Spotify, Apple, Cruise)
<p><strong>Aman Khan</strong> is Director of Product at Arize AI, an observability company for AI engineers at companies like Uber, Instacart, and Discord. Previously he was an AI Product Manager at Spotify on the ML Platform team, enabling hundreds of engineers to build and ship products across the company. He has also led and worked on products at Cruise, Zipline, and Apple. In our conversation, we discuss:</p><p>• What is an “AI product manager”?</p><p>• How to break into AI PM</p><p>• What separates top 5% AI PMs</p><p>• How to thrive as an individual-contributor PM</p><p>• Common pitfalls to avoid when building AI products</p><p>• The importance of energy and curiosity in product roles</p><p>• Much more</p><p>—</p><p><strong>Brought to you by:</strong></p><p>• <a target="_blank" href="https://www.pendo.io/lenny">Pendo</a>—The only all-in-one product experience platform for any type of application</p><p>• <a target="_blank" href="https://vanta.com/lenny">Vanta</a>—Automate compliance. Simplify security</p><p>• <a target="_blank" href="https://www.useparagon.com/lenny">Paragon</a>—Ship every SaaS integration your customers want</p><p>—</p><p><strong>Find the transcript at: </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/becoming-an-ai-pm-aman-khan">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/becoming-an-ai-pm-aman-khan</a></p><p>—</p><p><strong>Where to find Aman Khan:</strong></p><p>• X: <a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/_amankhan">https://x.com/_amankhan</a></p><p>• LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanberkeley/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanberkeley/</a></p><p>• Website: <a target="_blank" href="https://amanalikhan.com/">https://amanalikhan.com/</a></p><p>—</p><p><strong>Where to find Lenny:</strong></p><p>• Newsletter: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com</a></p><p>• X: <a target="_blank" href="https://twitter.com/lennysan">https://twitter.com/lennysan</a></p><p>• LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/</a></p><p>—</p><p><strong>In this episode, we cover:</strong></p><p>(00:00) Aman’s background</p><p>(06:16) Understanding AI product management roles</p><p>(13:29) Getting started as an AI product manager</p><p>(18:14) Building a portfolio and standing out</p><p>(22:31) Why product management is not dead</p><p>(28:56) How to thrive as an AI product manager</p><p>(35:42) Finding good ideas that are AI-oriented</p><p>(39:27) Be careful not to automate away every customer experience</p><p>(42:53) What separates top 5% AI PMs</p><p>(46:55) Key habits for long-term IC success</p><p>(52:48) The importance of energy in meetings</p><p>(57:00) Wandering vs. waiting</p><p>(01:01:41) Amplifying signal through AI tools</p><p>(01:03:18) Just have fun</p><p>(01:05:36) Lightning round</p><p>—</p><p><strong>Referenced:</strong></p><p>• AI Resources and Tools for PMs (Updated Oct 2024): <a target="_blank" href="https://open.substack.com/pub/amankhan1/p/ai-resources-and-tools-for-pms-updated?r=24lj7j&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true">https://open.substack.com/pub/amankhan1/p/ai-resources-and-tools-for-pms-updated</a></p><p>• Unlocking the AI PM Dream: Your Roadmap to Success: <a target="_blank" href="https://amankhan1.substack.com/p/unlocking-the-ai-pm-dream-your-roadmap">https://amankhan1.substack.com/p/unlocking-the-ai-pm-dream-your-roadmap</a></p><p>• Arize: <a target="_blank" href="https://arize.com/">https://arize.com/</a></p><p>• Ryzen: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/business-systems/ryzen-ai.html">https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/business-systems/ryzen-ai.html</a></p><p>• NotebookLM: <a target="_blank" href="https://notebooklm.google/">https://notebooklm.google/</a></p><p>• Figma: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.figma.com/">https://www.figma.com/</a></p><p>• Cursor: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.cursor.com/">https://www.cursor.com/</a></p><p>• Replit: <a target="_blank" href="https://replit.com/">https://replit.com/</a></p><p>• Excalidraw: <a target="_blank" href="https://excalidraw.com/">https://excalidraw.com/</a></p><p>• Vercel: <a target="_blank" href="https://vercel.com/">https://vercel.com/</a></p><p>• v0: <a target="_blank" href="https://v0.dev/">https://v0.dev/</a></p><p>• How Airbnb Proved That Storytelling Is the Most Important Skill in Design: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.inc.com/yazin-akkawi/the-surprising-technique-airbnb-uses-to-better-sell-an-experience.html">https://www.inc.com/yazin-akkawi/the-surprising-technique-airbnb-uses-to-better-sell-an-experience.html</a></p><p>• Brian Chesky’s new playbook: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/brian-cheskys-contrarian-approach">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/brian-cheskys-contrarian-approach</a></p><p>• Midjourney: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.midjourney.com/">https://www.midjourney.com/</a></p><p>• Dall-E: <a target="_blank" href="https://openai.com/index/dall-e-3/">https://openai.com/index/dall-e-3/</a></p><p>• Introducing the Realtime API: <a target="_blank" href="https://openai.com/index/introducing-the-realtime-api/">https://openai.com/index/introducing-the-realtime-api/</a></p><p>• Intro to Large Language Models | Andrej Karpathy: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjkBMFhNj_g">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjkBMFhNj_g</a></p><p>• Watch Me Build an App in 60 Minutes With o1 and Cursor: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zmhe6_T-xU">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zmhe6_T-xU</a></p><p>• Greg Isenberg on LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gisenberg/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/gisenberg/</a></p><p>• Vision, conviction, and hype: How to build 0 to 1 inside a company | Mihika Kapoor (Product at Figma): <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/vision-conviction-hype-mihika-kapoor">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/vision-conviction-hype-mihika-kapoor</a></p><p>• Spotify: <a target="_blank" href="https://open.spotify.com/">https://open.spotify.com/</a></p><p>• Instacart: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.instacart.com/">https://www.instacart.com/</a></p><p>• How to grow a subscription business | Yuriy Timen (Grammarly, Canva, Airtable): <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/transform-your-subscription-growth">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/transform-your-subscription-growth</a></p><p>• When Identifying the Problem Isn’t Enough: Lessons from Boxed Cake Mix by Ann M. Aly, TechFlow Director of Human Centered Design: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.techflow.com/when-identifying-the-problem-isnt-enough-lessons-from-boxed-cake-mix/">https://www.techflow.com/when-identifying-the-problem-isnt-enough-lessons-from-boxed-cake-mix/</a></p><p>• Waymo: <a target="_blank" href="https://waymo.com/">https://waymo.com/</a></p><p>• The Ikea effect: <a target="_blank" href="https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/ikea-effect">https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/ikea-effect</a></p><p>• Blue Apron: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.blueapron.com/">https://www.blueapron.com/</a></p><p>• Unorthodox PM wisdom: Automating user insights, unselling job candidates, logging every decision, more | Kevin Yien (Stripe, Square, Mutiny): <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/unorthodox-pm-wisdom-kevin-yien">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/unorthodox-pm-wisdom-kevin-yien</a></p><p>• LeBron James: <a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeBron_James">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeBron_James</a></p><p>• The Secrets Behind Lyft’s Dynamic Culture: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/marissaperetz/2018/05/16/the-secrets-behind-lyfts-dynamic-culture/">https://www.forbes.com/sites/marissaperetz/2018/05/16/the-secrets-behind-lyfts-dynamic-culture/</a></p><p>• Aparna Dhinakaran on LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/aparnadhinakaran/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/aparnadhinakaran/</a></p><p>• Why most public speaking advice is wrong—and how to finally overcome your speaking anxiety | Tristan de Montebello (CEO & co-founder of Ultraspeaking): <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/master-public-speaking-tristan-de-montebello">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/master-public-speaking-tristan-de-montebello</a></p><p>• Ultraspeaking: <a target="_blank" href="https://ultraspeaking.com/lenny/">https://ultraspeaking.com/lenny/</a></p><p>• <em>A Short History of Nearly Everything</em>: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Short-History-Nearly-Everything/dp/076790818X">https://www.amazon.com/Short-History-Nearly-Everything/dp/076790818X</a></p><p>• <em>Designing Your Life: How to Build a Well-Lived, Joyful Life</em>: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Designing-Your-Life-Well-Lived-Joyful/dp/1101875321">https://www.amazon.com/Designing-Your-Life-Well-Lived-Joyful/dp/1101875321</a></p><p>• <em>Tour de France: Unchained</em> on Netflix: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.netflix.com/title/81153133">https://www.netflix.com/title/81153133</a></p><p>• <em>Formula 1: Drive to Survive</em> on Netflix: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.netflix.com/title/80204890">https://www.netflix.com/title/80204890</a></p><p>• Websim: <a target="_blank" href="https://websim.ai/">https://websim.ai/</a></p><p>• Appeel Books: <a target="_blank" href="https://appeel.brandeditems.com/">https://appeel.brandeditems.com/</a></p><p>• Steve Jobs quote: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/374630-your-time-is-limited-so-don-t-waste-it-living-someone#">https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/374630-your-time-is-limited-so-don-t-waste-it-living-someone#</a></p><p>• Becoming a conscious leader: Leading without fear, finding your life’s objective function, and getting better at vision and strategy | John Mark Nickels (Uber, Waymo, DoorDash): <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/becoming-a-conscious-leader-john-mark-nickels">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/becoming-a-conscious-leader-john-mark-nickels</a></p><p>• Aman Khan (cricket player): <a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aman_Hakim_Khan">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aman_Hakim_Khan</a></p><p>—</p><p>Production and marketing by <a target="_blank" href="https://penname.co/">https://penname.co/</a>. 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