<p><strong>Molly Graham</strong> has worked for some of tech’s most effective leaders, including Mark Zuckerberg, Sheryl Sandberg, Chamath Palihapitiya, and Bret Taylor. Today she leads Glue Club, a community for leaders navigating rapid scale, growth, and change. She’s best known for her “Give away your Legos” framework and her collection of practical mental models for leading through hypergrowth.</p><p></p><p><strong>We discuss:</strong></p><p>1. “Give away your Legos”: a framework for scaling yourself as a leader</p><p>2. “J-curves vs. stairs”: the two paths of career growth, and why you should pick the scarier path</p><p>3. “The waterline model” for diagnosing team problems (and why you should “snorkel before you scuba”)</p><p>4. Six rules for creating effective goals (and aligning everyone around them)</p><p>5. Rules of thumb for leading through rapid scale and change</p><p>6. Her biggest leadership lessons from Mark Zuckerberg, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Sheryl Sandberg, and Bret Taylor</p><p>—</p><p><strong>Brought to you by:</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://getdx.com/lenny"><strong>DX</strong></a>—The developer intelligence platform designed by leading researchers</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.brex.com/product/business-account?ref_code=bmk_dp_brand1H25_ln_new_fs"><strong>Brex</strong></a>—The banking solution for startups</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://gofundme.com/lenny"><strong>GoFundMe Giving Funds</strong></a>—Make helping a habit</p><p>—</p><p><strong>Transcript: </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-high-growth-handbook-molly-graham">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-high-growth-handbook-molly-graham</a></p><p>—</p><p><strong>My biggest takeaways (for paid newsletter subscribers): </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/i/182877855/my-biggest-takeaways-from-this-conversation">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/i/182877855/my-biggest-takeaways-from-this-conversation</a></p><p>—</p><p><strong>Where to find Molly Graham:</strong></p><p>• X: <a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/molly_g">https://x.com/molly_g</a></p><p>• LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mograham">https://www.linkedin.com/in/mograham</a></p><p>• Substack: <a target="_blank" href="https://mollyg.substack.com">https://mollyg.substack.com</a></p><p>• Website: <a target="_blank" href="https://glueclub.com">https://glueclub.com</a></p><p>—</p><p><strong>Where to find Lenny:</strong></p><p>• Newsletter: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com</a></p><p>• X: <a target="_blank" href="https://twitter.com/lennysan">https://twitter.com/lennysan</a></p><p>• LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/</a></p><p>—</p><p><strong>In this episode, we cover:</strong></p><p>(00:00) Introduction to Molly Graham</p><p>(04:28) Molly’s background at Google, Facebook, Quip, and CZI</p><p>(11:29) The “Give away your Legos” framework</p><p>(16:44) Managing your inner monster</p><p>(19:49) When not to give away your Legos</p><p>(21:28) Embracing a long career</p><p>(23:25) The J-curve vs. stairs approach to career growth</p><p>(32:00) The gift of knowing yourself</p><p>(34:28) Learning to be a professional idiot</p><p>(38:30) The waterline model: snorkel before you scuba</p><p>(47:16) Six rules for creating strong alignment around goals</p><p>(57:15) Rules of thumb for leading through rapid scale</p><p>(01:07:49) Investing in high performers vs. low performers</p><p>(01:10:54) Lessons from Zuckerberg, Sandberg, and Bret Taylor</p><p>(1:21:15) Pivoting from ambition to purpose</p><p>(1:26:32) Finding stability in instability</p><p>(01:29:44) Final thoughts</p><p>—</p><p><strong>Referenced:</strong></p><p>• Making an impact through authenticity and curiosity | Ami Vora (CPO at Faire, ex-WhatsApp, FB, IG): <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/authenticity-and-curiosity-ami-vora">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/authenticity-and-curiosity-ami-vora</a></p><p>• Sheryl Sandberg on LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sheryl-sandberg-5126652">https://www.linkedin.com/in/sheryl-sandberg-5126652</a></p><p>• Elliot Schrage on LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/elliotschrage">https://www.linkedin.com/in/elliotschrage</a></p><p>• Quip: <a target="_blank" href="https://quip.com">https://quip.com</a></p><p>• He saved OpenAI, invented the “Like” button, and built Google Maps: Bret Taylor on the future of careers, coding, agents, and more: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/he-saved-openai-bret-taylor">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/he-saved-openai-bret-taylor</a></p><p>• Chan Zuckerberg Initiative: <a target="_blank" href="https://chanzuckerberg.com">https://chanzuckerberg.com</a></p><p>• 10 contrarian leadership truths every leader needs to hear | Matt MacInnis (Rippling): <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/10-contrarian-leadership-truths">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/10-contrarian-leadership-truths</a></p><p>• ‘Give Away Your Legos’ and Other Commandments for Scaling Startups: <a target="_blank" href="https://review.firstround.com/give-away-your-legos-and-other-commandments-for-scaling-startups">https://review.firstround.com/give-away-your-legos-and-other-commandments-for-scaling-startups</a></p><p>• <em>The Muppets</em>: <a target="_blank" href="https://muppets.disney.com">https://muppets.disney.com</a></p><p>• Sara Caldwell on LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/saramcaldwell">https://www.linkedin.com/in/saramcaldwell</a></p><p>• J-Curves vs. Stairs: Two Approaches to Career Growth: <a target="_blank" href="https://mollyg.substack.com/p/j-curve">https://mollyg.substack.com/p/j-curve</a></p><p>• Forget the corporate ladder—winners take risks: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.ted.com/talks/molly_graham_forget_the_corporate_ladder_winners_take_risks">https://www.ted.com/talks/molly_graham_forget_the_corporate_ladder_winners_take_risks</a></p><p>• Chamath Palihapitiya on LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/chamath">https://www.linkedin.com/in/chamath</a></p><p>• Lori Goler on LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lori-goler-6b96921">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lori-goler-6b96921</a></p><p>• Joseph Campbell’s quote: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/192665-the-cave-you-fear-to-enter-holds-the-treasure-you">https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/192665-the-cave-you-fear-to-enter-holds-the-treasure-you</a></p><p>• Zevi Arnovitz on LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/zev-arnovitz">https://www.linkedin.com/in/zev-arnovitz</a></p><p>• Peopling 101: The Waterline Model: <a target="_blank" href="https://christinehaskell.com/blog/peopling-101-the-waterline-model">https://christinehaskell.com/blog/peopling-101-the-waterline-model</a></p><p>• Introduction to NVC: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.cnvc.org/learn/what-is-nvc">https://www.cnvc.org/learn/what-is-nvc</a></p><p>• I hate OKRs... and other thoughts about goal setting: <a target="_blank" href="https://mollyg.substack.com/p/i-hate-okrs-and-other-thoughts-about">https://mollyg.substack.com/p/i-hate-okrs-and-other-thoughts-about</a></p><p>• Lessons from scaling Stripe | Claire Hughes Johnson (former COO of Stripe): <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/lessons-from-scaling-stripe-tactics">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/lessons-from-scaling-stripe-tactics</a></p><p>• James Clear’s quote: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9614600-problem-1-winners-and-losers-have-the-same-goals">https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9614600-problem-1-winners-and-losers-have-the-same-goals</a></p><p>• Founder mode: <a target="_blank" href="https://paulgraham.com/foundermode.html">https://paulgraham.com/foundermode.html</a></p><p>• Stripe: <a target="_blank" href="https://stripe.com">https://stripe.com</a></p><p>• Patrick Collison on X: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickcollison">https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickcollison</a></p><p>• John Collison on X: <a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/collision">https://x.com/collision</a></p><p>• Seth Godin’s best tactics for building remarkable products, strategies, brands and more: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/seth-godins-tactics-for-building-remarkable-products">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/seth-godins-tactics-for-building-remarkable-products</a></p><p>• Eric Antonow on LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/antonow">https://www.linkedin.com/in/antonow</a></p><p>—</p><p><strong>Recommended books:</strong></p><p>• <em>The Artist’s Way</em>: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Artists-Way-25th-Anniversary/dp/0143129252">https://www.amazon.com/Artists-Way-25th-Anniversary/dp/0143129252</a></p><p>• <em>Scaling People: Tactics for Management and Company Building</em>: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Scaling-People-Tactics-Management-Building/dp/1953953212">https://www.amazon.com/Scaling-People-Tactics-Management-Building/dp/1953953212</a></p><p>• <em>Atomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones</em>: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Atomic-Habits-Proven-Build-Break/dp/0735211299">https://www.amazon.com/Atomic-Habits-Proven-Build-Break/dp/0735211299</a></p><p>—</p><p>Production and marketing by <a target="_blank" href="https://penname.co/">https://penname.co/</a>. 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