<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Nikhyl Singhal &lt;/strong&gt;is the founder of The Skip, a community for senior product leaders; a former product exec at Meta, Google, and Credit Karma; and a many-time founder. He’s also one of the most honest, unfiltered voices on what’s actually happening in product management right now.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;In our in-depth conversation, we discuss:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;1. Why the next two years will be the most chaotic period in product management history&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;2. Why half of current product managers are at risk, and what separates those who’ll do well&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;3. Why you need to find your “moments of joy” with AI&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;4. The “smiling exhaustion” he’s seeing across the product community&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;5. The psychological barriers that prevent people from reinventing themselves&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;6. Why your resume’s fancy logos matter less than ever, and what matters now&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;7. His prediction that companies will shed 30,000 people and rehire 8,000—all AI-first&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;—&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Brought to you by:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://workos.com/lenny"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;WorkOS&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;—Modern identity platform for B2B SaaS, free up to 1 million MAUs&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://vanta.com/lenny"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Vanta&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;—Automate compliance, manage risk, and accelerate trust with AI&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;—&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Episode transcript:&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/why-half-of-product-managers-are-in-trouble"&gt;https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/why-half-of-product-managers-are-in-trouble&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;—&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Archive of all Lenny's Podcast transcripts:&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&amp;#38;st=ahz0fj11&amp;#38;dl=0"&gt;https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&amp;st=ahz0fj11&amp;dl=0&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;—&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Where to find Nikhyl Singhal:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• LinkedIn: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikhyl"&gt;https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikhyl&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• X: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/nikhyl"&gt;https://x.com/nikhyl&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• Podcast &amp; Newsletter: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://skip.show"&gt;https://skip.show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• Skip Community: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://skip.community"&gt;https://skip.community&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• Skip Coach: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://skip.coach"&gt;https://skip.coach&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://Skip.help"&gt;Skip.help&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://skip.help"&gt;https://skip.help&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;—&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Where to find Lenny:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• Newsletter: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com"&gt;https://www.lennysnewsletter.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• X: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://twitter.com/lennysan"&gt;https://twitter.com/lennysan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• LinkedIn: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/"&gt;https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;—&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;In this episode, we cover:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(00:00) Introduction to Nikhyl Singhal&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(02:25) The big picture: what’s changing for product managers&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(10:00) Are product leaders doing better than 2-3 years ago?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(11:44) What will change in the next couple of years&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(14:23) How companies are changing the way they build products&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(15:51) What “judgment” really means for PMs&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(17:46) Why there won’t be any more bad software&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(20:25) The skills you need to be effective today&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(23:31) Why there are more PM roles than ever&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(24:27) The builder versus information-mover divide&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(30:14) The non-builder problem&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(30:53) Should PMs code?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(34:15) Why experienced leaders still matter&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(35:44) The diversity setback nobody’s talking about&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(37:21) Why your brand doesn’t matter as much anymore&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(39:54) How valued skills are flipping upside down&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(40:49) Why change is so hard for humans&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(43:53) The “equal disappointment” algorithm&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(46:39) You must cross the threshold&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(48:37) This chaos will settle&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(53:19) Finding your moment of joy&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(58:50) Nikhyl’s AI stack and what he’s building&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(1:00:53) The obsolescence mindset&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(1:05:24) Specific advice for PMs right now&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(1:08:58) The four jobs that will exist in the future&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(1:11:59) Why alignment is changing (but not disappearing)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(1:15:40) How engineering is changing even more than PM&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(1:17:04) The surprising design plateau&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(1:18:49) Finding optimism in the chaos&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(1:21:12) Lightning round&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;—&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Referenced:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• Building a long and meaningful career | Nikhyl Singhal (Meta, Google): &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-a-long-and-meaningful-career"&gt;https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-a-long-and-meaningful-career&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• COBOL: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL"&gt;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• United Airlines: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.united.com"&gt;https://www.united.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• State of the product job market in early 2026: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/state-of-the-product-job-market-in-ee9"&gt;https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/state-of-the-product-job-market-in-ee9&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• Head of Growth (Anthropic): “Claude is growing itself at this point” | Amol Avasare: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-1b-to-19b-growth-run"&gt;https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-1b-to-19b-growth-run&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• Demis Hassabis on X: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/demishassabis"&gt;https://x.com/demishassabis&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• Sam Altman on X: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/sama"&gt;https://x.com/sama&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• Dario Amodei on X: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/DarioAmodei"&gt;https://x.com/DarioAmodei&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• &lt;em&gt;Cross &lt;/em&gt;on Prime Video: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Season-1/dp/B0D6X7ZZHC"&gt;https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Season-1/dp/B0D6X7ZZHC&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• &lt;em&gt;Jack Ryan &lt;/em&gt;on Prime Video: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Tom-Clancys-Jack-Ryan/dp/B0CNDCMN8R"&gt;https://www.amazon.com/Tom-Clancys-Jack-Ryan/dp/B0CNDCMN8R&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• &lt;em&gt;24 &lt;/em&gt;on Prime Video: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/24-Season-1/dp/B000HPF85A"&gt;https://www.amazon.com/24-Season-1/dp/B000HPF85A&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• Claude Code: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://code.claude.com"&gt;https://code.claude.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• Codex: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://chatgpt.com/codex"&gt;https://chatgpt.com/codex&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• Lovable: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://lovable.dev"&gt;https://lovable.dev&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• Sonos: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.sonos.com"&gt;https://www.sonos.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• “There are only four jobs” on X: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/yrechtman/status/2039012253341495462"&gt;https://x.com/yrechtman/status/2039012253341495462&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• &lt;em&gt;Paradise &lt;/em&gt;on Hulu: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.hulu.com/series/paradise-2b4b8988-50c9-4097-bf93-bc34a99a5b4f"&gt;https://www.hulu.com/series/paradise-2b4b8988-50c9-4097-bf93-bc34a99a5b4f&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• &lt;em&gt;Lioness &lt;/em&gt;on Paramount+: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/lioness"&gt;https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/lioness&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• Tesla: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.tesla.com"&gt;https://www.tesla.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• Albert Einstein’s quote: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/115696-genius-is-1-talent-and-99-percent-hard-work"&gt;https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/115696-genius-is-1-talent-and-99-percent-hard-work&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;—&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Recommended books:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• &lt;em&gt;James&lt;/em&gt;: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/James-Novel-Percival-Everett/dp/0385550367"&gt;https://www.amazon.com/James-Novel-Percival-Everett/dp/0385550367&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;• &lt;em&gt;The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn&lt;/em&gt;: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Huckleberry-Finn-Unabridged-Uncensored/dp/195483943X"&gt;https://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Huckleberry-Finn-Unabridged-Uncensored/dp/195483943X&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;—&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Production and marketing by &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://penname.co/"&gt;https://penname.co/&lt;/a&gt;. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email &lt;a target="_blank" href="mailto:podcast@lennyrachitsky.com"&gt;podcast@lennyrachitsky.com&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;—&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To hear more, visit &lt;a href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com?utm_medium=podcast&amp;#38;utm_campaign=show-notes-no-free-preview-language"&gt;www.lennysnewsletter.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth

Lenny Rachitsky

Why half of product managers are in trouble | Nikhyl Singhal (Meta, Google)

APR 19, 202695 MIN
Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth

Why half of product managers are in trouble | Nikhyl Singhal (Meta, Google)

APR 19, 202695 MIN

Description

<p><strong>Nikhyl Singhal </strong>is the founder of The Skip, a community for senior product leaders; a former product exec at Meta, Google, and Credit Karma; and a many-time founder. He’s also one of the most honest, unfiltered voices on what’s actually happening in product management right now.</p><p></p><p><strong>In our in-depth conversation, we discuss:</strong></p><p>1. Why the next two years will be the most chaotic period in product management history</p><p>2. Why half of current product managers are at risk, and what separates those who’ll do well</p><p>3. Why you need to find your “moments of joy” with AI</p><p>4. The “smiling exhaustion” he’s seeing across the product community</p><p>5. The psychological barriers that prevent people from reinventing themselves</p><p>6. Why your resume’s fancy logos matter less than ever, and what matters now</p><p>7. His prediction that companies will shed 30,000 people and rehire 8,000—all AI-first</p><p>—</p><p><strong>Brought to you by:</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://workos.com/lenny"><strong>WorkOS</strong></a>—Modern identity platform for B2B SaaS, free up to 1 million MAUs</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://vanta.com/lenny"><strong>Vanta</strong></a>—Automate compliance, manage risk, and accelerate trust with AI</p><p>—</p><p><strong>Episode transcript:</strong> <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/why-half-of-product-managers-are-in-trouble">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/why-half-of-product-managers-are-in-trouble</a></p><p>—</p><p><strong>Archive of all Lenny's Podcast transcripts:</strong> <a target="_blank" href="https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&#38;st=ahz0fj11&#38;dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0</a></p><p>—</p><p><strong>Where to find Nikhyl Singhal:</strong></p><p>• LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikhyl">https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikhyl</a></p><p>• X: <a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/nikhyl">https://x.com/nikhyl</a></p><p>• Podcast & Newsletter: <a target="_blank" href="https://skip.show">https://skip.show</a></p><p>• Skip Community: <a target="_blank" href="https://skip.community">https://skip.community</a></p><p>• Skip Coach: <a target="_blank" href="https://skip.coach">https://skip.coach</a></p><p>• <a target="_blank" href="http://Skip.help">Skip.help</a>: <a target="_blank" href="https://skip.help">https://skip.help</a></p><p>—</p><p><strong>Where to find Lenny:</strong></p><p>• Newsletter: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com</a></p><p>• X: <a target="_blank" href="https://twitter.com/lennysan">https://twitter.com/lennysan</a></p><p>• LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/</a></p><p>—</p><p><strong>In this episode, we cover:</strong></p><p>(00:00) Introduction to Nikhyl Singhal</p><p>(02:25) The big picture: what’s changing for product managers</p><p>(10:00) Are product leaders doing better than 2-3 years ago?</p><p>(11:44) What will change in the next couple of years</p><p>(14:23) How companies are changing the way they build products</p><p>(15:51) What “judgment” really means for PMs</p><p>(17:46) Why there won’t be any more bad software</p><p>(20:25) The skills you need to be effective today</p><p>(23:31) Why there are more PM roles than ever</p><p>(24:27) The builder versus information-mover divide</p><p>(30:14) The non-builder problem</p><p>(30:53) Should PMs code?</p><p>(34:15) Why experienced leaders still matter</p><p>(35:44) The diversity setback nobody’s talking about</p><p>(37:21) Why your brand doesn’t matter as much anymore</p><p>(39:54) How valued skills are flipping upside down</p><p>(40:49) Why change is so hard for humans</p><p>(43:53) The “equal disappointment” algorithm</p><p>(46:39) You must cross the threshold</p><p>(48:37) This chaos will settle</p><p>(53:19) Finding your moment of joy</p><p>(58:50) Nikhyl’s AI stack and what he’s building</p><p>(1:00:53) The obsolescence mindset</p><p>(1:05:24) Specific advice for PMs right now</p><p>(1:08:58) The four jobs that will exist in the future</p><p>(1:11:59) Why alignment is changing (but not disappearing)</p><p>(1:15:40) How engineering is changing even more than PM</p><p>(1:17:04) The surprising design plateau</p><p>(1:18:49) Finding optimism in the chaos</p><p>(1:21:12) Lightning round</p><p>—</p><p><strong>Referenced:</strong></p><p>• Building a long and meaningful career | Nikhyl Singhal (Meta, Google): <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-a-long-and-meaningful-career">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-a-long-and-meaningful-career</a></p><p>• COBOL: <a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL</a></p><p>• United Airlines: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.united.com">https://www.united.com</a></p><p>• State of the product job market in early 2026: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/state-of-the-product-job-market-in-ee9">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/state-of-the-product-job-market-in-ee9</a></p><p>• Head of Growth (Anthropic): “Claude is growing itself at this point” | Amol Avasare: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-1b-to-19b-growth-run">https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-1b-to-19b-growth-run</a></p><p>• Demis Hassabis on X: <a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/demishassabis">https://x.com/demishassabis</a></p><p>• Sam Altman on X: <a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/sama">https://x.com/sama</a></p><p>• Dario Amodei on X: <a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/DarioAmodei">https://x.com/DarioAmodei</a></p><p>• <em>Cross </em>on Prime Video: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Season-1/dp/B0D6X7ZZHC">https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Season-1/dp/B0D6X7ZZHC</a></p><p>• <em>Jack Ryan </em>on Prime Video: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Tom-Clancys-Jack-Ryan/dp/B0CNDCMN8R">https://www.amazon.com/Tom-Clancys-Jack-Ryan/dp/B0CNDCMN8R</a></p><p>• <em>24 </em>on Prime Video: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/24-Season-1/dp/B000HPF85A">https://www.amazon.com/24-Season-1/dp/B000HPF85A</a></p><p>• Claude Code: <a target="_blank" href="https://code.claude.com">https://code.claude.com</a></p><p>• Codex: <a target="_blank" href="https://chatgpt.com/codex">https://chatgpt.com/codex</a></p><p>• Lovable: <a target="_blank" href="https://lovable.dev">https://lovable.dev</a></p><p>• Sonos: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.sonos.com">https://www.sonos.com</a></p><p>• “There are only four jobs” on X: <a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/yrechtman/status/2039012253341495462">https://x.com/yrechtman/status/2039012253341495462</a></p><p>• <em>Paradise </em>on Hulu: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.hulu.com/series/paradise-2b4b8988-50c9-4097-bf93-bc34a99a5b4f">https://www.hulu.com/series/paradise-2b4b8988-50c9-4097-bf93-bc34a99a5b4f</a></p><p>• <em>Lioness </em>on Paramount+: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/lioness">https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/lioness</a></p><p>• Tesla: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.tesla.com">https://www.tesla.com</a></p><p>• Albert Einstein’s quote: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/115696-genius-is-1-talent-and-99-percent-hard-work">https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/115696-genius-is-1-talent-and-99-percent-hard-work</a></p><p>—</p><p><strong>Recommended books:</strong></p><p>• <em>James</em>: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/James-Novel-Percival-Everett/dp/0385550367">https://www.amazon.com/James-Novel-Percival-Everett/dp/0385550367</a></p><p>• <em>The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn</em>: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Huckleberry-Finn-Unabridged-Uncensored/dp/195483943X">https://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Huckleberry-Finn-Unabridged-Uncensored/dp/195483943X</a></p><p>—</p><p>Production and marketing by <a target="_blank" href="https://penname.co/">https://penname.co/</a>. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>.</p><p>—</p><p><em>Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.</em></p> <br/><br/>To hear more, visit <a href="https://www.lennysnewsletter.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=show-notes-no-free-preview-language">www.lennysnewsletter.com</a>