On this episode of The Rumors Are True, Jeremy is joined by Stephen Laurenson from Copeland, along with discussions surrounding his work in States, Abloom, and Demure. Stephen reflects on his time with Copeland and the band’s lasting influence on the indie and alternative scene through their emotionally rich songwriting, ambient textures, and deeply personal live performances. The conversation explores the creative process behind the music, life on the road, and how Copeland built a dedicated fanbase through authenticity and artistic evolution over the years. Jeremy and Stephen also dive into the experience of joining Copeland during an important season for the band, collaborating with Aaron Marsh and the rest of the group, and helping bring the band’s layered sound to life both in the studio and on stage. They discuss the balance between technical musicianship and emotional connection, the challenges of longevity in music, and how Copeland’s catalog continues to resonate with listeners who grew up with the band’s music soundtracking important moments in their lives. The episode also highlights Stephen’s work with States, the indie-rock project featuring former members of Lydia and Copeland. Stephen shares stories about the formation of the band, the creation of Room to Run, and the passion behind crafting music that blended cinematic atmosphere with heartfelt indie-rock songwriting. The conversation touches on the creative freedom that States embraced, the connection fans still have with the project, and how those experiences shaped him as both a musician and songwriter. With additional reflections on Abloom and Demure, this episode is filled with honest conversation, behind-the-scenes stories, and nostalgia for fans of indie, emo, and alternative music scenes from the 2000s and beyond. Produced by Wesley Hill @thebigwes Artwork by Jared Chase Bowser @jaredchasebowser Music by Brian Jerin R.I.P.