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ABOUT THE EPISODEListen in as David Schrock & Stephen Wellum interview Alex Kocman on his COA Longform Essay "Was Jesus a Refugee? And Why It Matters for Immigration"Timestamps00:30 – Intro04:50 – Alex’s Role in ABWE & Christmas Teaching07:37 – What is a Refugee?09:22 – How Do We Seek to Correctly Interpret Scripture?11:20 – Refugees and Migration15:10 – What Does Scripture Say in Regards to the Refugee, Sojourner, etc.?18:00 – What Makes it Difficult to Think in Categories?21:25 – Thinking About How These Things Affect Nationhood25:52 – What Key Things Should We See from Matthew 2?29:39 – What is the Main Emphasis of the Gospel of Matthew?33:00 – What are the Dissimilarities Between Immigrant and Refugee?36:57 – What are the Church’s and State’s Responsibilities Towards These People?43:40 – Dr. Wellum’s Perspective on Immigration50:26 – The Order Amoris56:14 – Final Thoughts57:23 – OutroResources to Click“Was Jesus a Refugee? And Why It Matters for the Immigration Issue” – Alex Kocman“Christian Nationalism Misconceptions with David Schrock & Steve Wellum” – The Missions Podcast“Jesus Was a Refugee” – He Gets Us“Yes, Jesus Was a Refugee” – Russell Moore“Jesus Was a Refugee and an Immigrant” – Lindsay Popperson“Jesus Was a Refugee” – Salt“Pastor Defends Illegal Alien by Saying the Bible is about “God saving us through immigration”” – Not the Bee“U.S. Code, Title 8, Aliens and Nationality ẞ1101(a)(42)” – Legal Information Institute“Refugees: 2024” – Amanda Yap, U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security“Desecrations, threats, and silence: anti-Christian violence grips France” – Gavin Mortimer“Arson Attacks on Christian Churches Rise to Record High in Germany” – Kurt Zindulka“Some migrant groups are ‘disproportionately criminal’ due to cultural factors, claims renowned Swiss forensic psychiatrist” – Thomas Brooke“Dublin protestors clash with police, burn vehicle after migrant accused of sexually assaulting Irish girl” – Michael Dorgan“Police accused of covering up alleged asylum seeker child rape for fear of ‘Inflaming community tensions’” – Kurt Zindulka“British Parliament rejects inquiry in the ongoing pedophile rape-gang scandal (by a wide majority)” – Edward TeachTheme of the Month: Christmas BuffetGive to Support the Work

ABOUT THE EPISODEListen in as David Schrock and Stephen Wellum interview Levi Secord on his COA Longform Essay: "Law is King: How the BIble Shapes Our View of Law & Civil Government"Timestamps00:30 – Intro03:38 – The Background Behind Servant Not Savior05:11 – What are Some Things that Need to be On Our Radar as We Discuss This Subject?08:15 – Walking Us Through the History from the King to the Law10:27 – The Place of Natural Law13:15 – Where in the Bible Do We Encounter Rutherford’s Ideas?15:49 – Nations Making Covenants21:00 – What is the Responsibility of Christians to Remind the Government of Their Role Before God?22:57 – Who’s Role is it to Preach Before the Government?29:00 – Political Theology is not Just from the Old Testament31:32 – How Should We Read the OT Law to the King and Apply It Today?36:50 – How Does Progressive Covenantalism Apply the Law?40:22 – The Principle of General Equity42:03 – What Can Nations Learn from Israel? From the Church?47:20 – Good Government is the Exception to the Rule51:25 – The Case for Bringing the Bible to the Public Square54:50 – Natural Law is Not Devoid of Special Revelation56:10 – Levi Secord’s Final Encouragements57:40 – OutroResources to Click“Law is King: How the Bible Shapes Our View of Law & Civil Government” – Levi Secord136: Political Islam – Just Thinking Podcast2026 National Founders Conference: Make DisciplesTheme of the Month: Christmas BuffetGive to Support the WorkBooks to ReadServant Not Savior: An Introduction to the Bible’s Teaching about Civil Government – Levi SecordDefending the Declaration: How the Bible and Christianity Influenced the Writing of the Declaration of Independence – Gary AmosA Christian Manifesto – Francis SchaefferHow Should We Then Live? – Francis SchaefferHe Is There and He Is Not Silent – Francis SchaefferLex Rex: The Law is King – Samuel RutherfordThe Origins of American Constitutionalism – Donald LutzColossians and Philemon (ZECotNT) – David W. PaoThe Gospel of Matthew (NICNT) – R.T. FranceThe Mission of God: A Manifesto of Hope for Society – Joseph BootThe Emergence of Liberty in the Modern World – Douglas F. KellyDominion – Tom HollandThe Book that Made Your World: How the Bible Created the Soul of Western Civilization – Vishal MangalwadiMere Christendom – Douglas Wilson

ABOUT THE EPISODEIn an effort to steer well-meaning Christians’ sympathies, some leaders in the church have cited the life of our Lord as evidence for their progressive political agenda. But are they getting their facts straight? Read as Alex Kocman dispels the emotional trump-card, “Jesus was a refugee.”Resources to Click“Was Jesus a Refugee? And Why It Matters for the Immigration Issue” – Alex Kocman“Jesus Was a Refugee” – He Gets Us“Yes, Jesus Was a Refugee” – Russell Moore“Jesus Was a Refugee and an Immigrant” – Lindsay Popperson“Jesus Was a Refugee” – Salt“Pastor Defends Illegal Alien by Saying the Bible is about “God saving us through immigration”” – Not the Bee“U.S. Code, Title 8, Aliens and Nationality ẞ1101(a)(42)” – Legal Information Institute“Refugees: 2024” – Amanda Yap, U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security“Desecrations, threats, and silence: anti-Christian violence grips France” – Gavin Mortimer“Arson Attacks on Christian Churches Rise to Record High in Germany” – Kurt Zindulka“Some migrant groups are ‘disproportionately criminal’ due to cultural factors, claims renowned Swiss forensic psychiatrist” – Thomas Brooke“Dublin protestors clash with police, burn vehice after migrant accused of sexually assaulting Irish girl” – Michael Dorgan“Police accused of covering up alleged asylum seeker child rape for fear of ‘Inflaming community tensions’” – Kurt Zindulka“British Parliament rejects inquiry in the ongoing pedophile rape-gang scandal (by a wide majority)” – Edward TeachTheme of the Month: Christmas BuffetGive to Support the Work

ABOUT THE EPISODEDeuteronomy 17 shows that kings stand under God’s law. This article explores how rulers rise to power, why they must obey the law, and whether these truths apply beyond Israel.Resources to Click“Law is King: How the Bible Shapes Our View of Law & Civil Government” – Levi SecordTheme of the Month: Christmas BuffetGive to Support the Work Books to ReadServant Not Savior: An Introduction to the Bible’s Teaching about Civil Government – Levi SecordDefending the Declaration: How the Bible and Christianity Influenced the Writing of the Declaration of Independence – Gary AmosA Christian Manifesto – Francis SchaefferHow Should We Then Live? – Francis SchaefferHe Is There and He Is Not Silent – Francis SchaefferLex Rex: The Law is King – Samuel RutherfordThe Origins of American Constitutionalism – Donald LutzColossians and Philemon (ZECotNT) – David W. PaoThe Gospel of Matthew (NICNT) – R.T. FranceThe Mission of God: A Manifesto of Hope for Society – Joseph Boot

ABOUT THE EPISODEListen in as David Schrock & Stephen Wellum interview Marc Minter on his Longform essay, "Liberty Not Separation: The Historic Development of Baptist Perspectives on Church and State"Timestamps00:48 – Intro05:52 – Marc Minter and His Academic Aspirations10:30 – The State of Political Theology in the SBC14:48 – Influences on Political Theology19:00 – The Significance of Everson v. Board of Education 194721:42 – How This Case Shaped Subsequent Generations’ Worldviews24:27 – Jefferson’s Letter to the Danbury Baptists30:10 – How Much Did Jefferson’s Views Change Between 1776-1802?33:37 – The Distinction Between Reformation and Enlightment Traditions37:55 – The Two Notions of the Term ‘Separation’43:05 – Have We Adopted an Anabaptist Tradition of Church & State?45:47 – E.Y. Mullins’ Views on the State49:10 – Mullins’ Interjection into the Baptist Faith & Message58:48 – What Should Pastors Do In Light of All This?1:04:24 – Readings for Baptist Political Theology1:06:10 – OutroResources to Click“Liberty, Not Separation: The Historic Development of Baptist Perspectives on Church and State” – Marc Minter“Views of Individuals in Southern Baptist Congregations on Baptist Political Theology” – Lifeway Research“The Impotence of Secular Conservatism” – R. Albert Mohler Jr.Comparison Chart of the Baptist Faith and MessageTheme of the Month: Do the Reading: Selections in Political TheologyGive to Support the WorkBooks to ReadEcclesiology: A Study of the Churches – Edwin Charles DarganBaptist Political Theology – eds. Thomas Kidd, Paul Miller, & Andrew T. WalkerThomas Jefferson and the Wall of Separation Between Church and State – Daniel DreisbachAgreeing to Disagree: How the Establishment Clause Protects Religious Diversity and Freedom of Conscience – Nathan S. Chapman and Michael W. McConnellSeparation of Church and State – Philip HamburgerMore Than Just a Name: Preserving Our Baptist Identity – Stan NormanThe Axioms of Religion: A New Interpretation of the Baptist Faith – E.Y. MullinsThe Baptist Story: From English Sect to Global Movement – Anthony L. Chute, Nathan A. Finn, & Michael A.G. HaykinDemanding Liberty: An Untold Story of American Religious Liberty – Brandon J. O’BrienLet Men Be Free: Baptist Politics in the Early United States (1776-1835) – Obbie Tyler ToddBaptist Confessions, Covenants, and Catechisms – John A. Broadus, ed. Timothy GeorgeBaptist Theology: A Four-Century Study – James Leo GarrettBaptist Confessions of Faith – William L. LumpkinChristianity & Liberalism – J. Gresham MachenUneasy in Babylon: Southern Baptist Conservatives and American Culture – Barry Hankins