<p><strong>ABOUT THE EPISODE</strong></p><p>Listen in as David Schrock and Stephen Wellum interview Levi Secord on his COA Longform Essay: &quot;Law is King: How the BIble Shapes Our View of Law &amp; Civil Government&quot;</p><p><strong>Timestamps</strong></p><ul><li>00:30 – Intro</li><li>03:38 – The Background Behind <em>Servant Not Savior</em></li><li>05:11 – What are Some Things that Need to be On Our Radar as We Discuss This Subject?</li><li>08:15 – Walking Us Through the History from the King to the Law</li><li>10:27 – The Place of Natural Law</li><li>13:15 – Where in the Bible Do We Encounter Rutherford’s Ideas?</li><li>15:49 – Nations Making Covenants</li><li>21:00 – What is the Responsibility of Christians to Remind the Government of Their Role Before God?</li><li>22:57 – Who’s Role is it to Preach Before the Government?</li><li>29:00 – Political Theology is not Just from the Old Testament</li><li>31:32 – How Should We Read the OT Law to the King and Apply It Today?</li><li>36:50 – How Does Progressive Covenantalism Apply the Law?</li><li>40:22 – The Principle of General Equity</li><li>42:03 – What Can Nations Learn from Israel? From the Church?</li><li>47:20 – Good Government is the Exception to the Rule</li><li>51:25 – The Case for Bringing the Bible to the Public Square</li><li>54:50 – Natural Law is Not Devoid of Special Revelation</li><li>56:10 – Levi Secord’s Final Encouragements</li><li>57:40 – Outro</li></ul><p><strong>Resources to Click</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/article/longform/law-is-king-how-the-bible-shapes-our-view-of-law-civil-government/">“Law is King: How the Bible Shapes Our View of Law &amp; Civil Government”</a> – Levi Secord</li><li><a href="https://justthinking.me/ep-136-political-islam/">136: Political Islam</a> – Just Thinking Podcast</li><li><a href="https://founders.org/conference/">2026 National Founders Conference: Make Disciples</a></li><li>Theme of the Month: <a href="https://christoverall.com/theme/christmas-buffet/">Christmas Buffet</a></li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/give/">Give to Support the Work</a></li></ul><p><strong>Books to Read</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Servant-Not-Savior-Introduction-Government/dp/B0FRMXDNLX/ref=sr_1_1?crid=J6D7RCNP4VCT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.AArYYH31yzxWGrOsqPo7ea7tYQpCzfwX8OLajVnVlndWxV5-cdAU13ojokpf4vJr0yrHNvSlzZyVK9GAqyLN-GDouqVANZwagqLp0pIuIHLaVTzSvsx9McF2f4o2HKCsFtoJ-Oa1bDZltHzOyuthTQ7eJETFAu9NcQmtG77-rACBxqaIzhzr-XpAPmcEH2l-xfx-_Gt7xLOmS2Towx_vyMOBkfKP2qu2p18Gz5sII04.FI4v0sYuhGz9QIDD3TN9MPtlQWeOZ4u-iRQz30pr2hE&dib_tag=se&keywords=servant+not+savior+levi+secord&qid=1762892621&sprefix=%2Caps%2C134&sr=8-1"><em>Servant Not Savior: An Introduction to the Bible’s Teaching about Civil Government</em></a> – Levi Secord</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Defending-Declaration-Christianity-Influenced-Independence/dp/B0BW2GWCHN/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1K9FW4RV0NGPI&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.06a-BH5U4PZsLcQk3qnthOU-OaEo08ZBQ-iA3dfgjt_-IDCh3chIfC5wb3e06dIrn0M6YmhABt1hlOzX-xrSRbN7tUjHB01kyFTbi5x4ubCtOTYG8mlKr7TCRGA-w_WxbXuZ7E0afocK_YhN28Ish7PggOZKutasZ_nlk9Inc9AMXys3eXUx3tVBBV5KT4j_jayukpqDE90mjQGwsWpA9lGjEBz4LFQORumtarwZ7HI.BySKm-nvbsBq_5l3NnVs27TYWAITlCsQWvDoK4GjTGg&dib_tag=se&keywords=gary+amos&qid=1764601755&sprefix=gary+amos%2Caps%2C126&sr=8-2"><em>Defending the Declaration: How the Bible and Christianity Influenced the Writing of the Declaration of Independence</em></a> – Gary Amos</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Christian-Manifesto-Francis-Schaeffer/dp/1581346921/ref=sr_1_1?crid=M6MRP0PDCIVY&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ZXUVJFGGbF-joJ2oH7VtScMBaNyO_Rawk3kPdYcjtRXhvryg5Td1ZQabwBo9tKzBSsSCis4V_pkUf0xx3CBoE68cuEDJmPCfgkA-LR9jLBA.bpbJkOolMF_3y4R4tv0-d01oQaec_47jkV9U0Col4hU&dib_tag=se&keywords=francis+schaeffer+a+christian+manifesto&qid=1764601916&sprefix=francis+schaeffer+a+christian+manifesto%2Caps%2C113&sr=8-1"><em>A Christian Manifesto</em></a> – Francis Schaeffer</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1433576910/?bestFormat=true&k=how%20should%20we%20then%20live&ref_=nb_sb_ss_w_scx-ent-bk-ww_k0_1_11_de&crid=1BSQ1NAAWHYVB&sprefix=How%20should%20"><em>How Should We Then Live?</em></a> – Francis Schaeffer</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/He-There-Not-Silent/dp/1433569531/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1A72R9GAGQDTE&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.9NuDAAXdlQQJHqlUY2Be1qlua4gvLt9fmrPgCfNTyKD6YbSe5A1DDG4IQ33PBOKCD-hV2XPwGny6uEz-G4IbgDPfYjbDjgKpt2qNW4Y8znKfFC-wO6MmgJd0NLXUrRHffAKjxt1AZXAuWq3kOWHzLRfRwKyX5CXRdP349Qg2vKL7ALJrCeW-IayWc2iCL8ENuy5JM_vTMRD_KydH82PEAUliwZ9BbJXka4QgNLU9_5Q.h2B-580-aINNIe708qHF4Oxn8wrFPW3bLcQiZbRKB5A&dib_tag=se&keywords=he+is+there+and+he+is+not+silent&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1764602678&sprefix=He+is+there+and%2Caps%2C100&sr=8-2"><em>He Is There and He Is Not Silent</em></a> – Francis Schaeffer</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Lex-Rex-King-Samuel-Rutherford/dp/1952410533/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2SPJ8WWTPY96R&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.H_9yeDDDsmjMFFahgmU7jJGZ-cuLiFVZxbBB_6mTCEwmzrRGxoRxcYULP6H4GleQNehbjMcdwoDD-Pq_Nav_CEIIv00gWp-u-maXdKSlBqlgVhhV2LXXCXMvxoJqHNndTx_xptfScKNL9sOUWuGG-RWqLjdZ55FXkdbh0Q9qwQjGkokf30C4prfITo-SI93bmbpqHAHR4hNoh9N-7hORgO8fv_OvLqlCEUlnbmcpsXCptosTfq-CHJWbDW5I3OH5WC9imKoor5o-lVn5XWlJ4myMUwcYpfo7XuHm8HDSh6c.H7loKfS8LU0o46g_1Ubs_k3Yj2v2EK9nVaULremDr9I&dib_tag=se&keywords=samuel+rutherford&qid=1764601961&sprefix=samuel+rutherford%2Caps%2C114&sr=8-2"><em>Lex Rex: The Law is King</em></a> – Samuel Rutherford</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Origins-American-Constitutionalism-Bibliographies-History/dp/0807115061/ref=sr_1_1?crid=H0WYT9KPHEFF&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ONDOgrT-JWYTIQC7pbkOXBovgsEfyl_q7KbACLPOty1Ci3-xi540mRoJM1DsykykFRVUJvcnTeeRWlGUvuOhlGJ7L75r0X69lZgywYiNCJYRRTmRyIKFpkhBI8YWaroqE1ocDO8WgTcKt3yqNPAZDxLsTgyzNNVnuZpjBNUVUOXcwGqKRD_KZaiD2D-PgUWEUho_SiwlX92w9qZuPQ6m6p1OlnkvHnoxG51SzjDDOz4.lfUn7iIVtwKA7j3RNIzN9XjA27OCfG2zWDvDLVYX42c&dib_tag=se&keywords=donald+lutz&qid=1764602220&sprefix=donald+lutz%2Caps%2C133&sr=8-1"><em>The Origins of American Constitutionalism</em></a> – Donald Lutz</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Colossians-Zondervan-Exegetical-Commentary-Testament/dp/0310243955/ref=sr_1_1?crid=LSXO1NUBZY2F&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.BHiR6_7zfmaUAQQ-aMnP1BQdMiHRyp4jS3J7KJsgkBXXXKRxSAeqhbGITo1UYexY.-PuZ7K6Ta4Rxsf9MXYkcFUcX3cOB0u2bjlf1IMMXKiI&dib_tag=se&keywords=pao%2C+david+w.+colossians+and+philemon&qid=1764602285&sprefix=david+w.+pao+col%2Caps%2C112&sr=8-1"><em>Colossians and Philemon (ZECotNT)</em></a> – David W. Pao</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Matthew-International-Commentary-Testament/dp/080282501X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=KWF0F2M2EBWQ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.2sxcHGe0UBaFIbxQFOD-dgLwLLfbV_x4_sKlcb68FH78cv2BRoyuRIdN3o6VZII49XrvXz4QB1nceknce47zGIF0QMa5eEUti4JtwJ3fYz1o5pUZAtYzarr9IgPX_5MrF-m2yn0oAF5mm_5VUJ10Cg.7c6lDbwl6r2Qnd8-RlekdZovkUng6vqvmlXgGOnRL0g&dib_tag=se&keywords=r.t.+france+the+gospel+of+matthew&qid=1764602395&sprefix=r.t.+france+%2Caps%2C113&sr=8-1"><em>The Gospel of Matthew (NICNT)</em></a> – R.T. France</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mission-God-Manifesto-Hope-Society/dp/B0DN3VNDC3/ref=sr_1_6?crid=38WQJKAG6BBUU&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.QzKS6gS5XBZZuqCOraLclFpVDuOwdH20JLTEyR2NpyzMbZ7pekK3l-PmD2mnbrMN1zOGzASm9yvEjg3oB6rFu-KZUwCnLM2OBdAak1hfwvhfnpQJK9Xgm-G9x1dAkZO3CHZ7FbK--YuCl1qCere4WRRMrnR8qbEZr1Xt_MyjR5sjtTRIRqzrWNhJWq9Gwo0Q9_g0ZH7XaR-bXiUxHmpBBG7qRW17exONnPjQb_WXEhJMm53hRUNYhhZneKCzlNwdfvJE0JiwhIv2eZ-nmSQ-PgIExz6RovnVEsRoNktSWLM.cceDFdYe42-lupN9ckERlVJzRYG8Lm-95CyWY8r8TCM&dib_tag=se&keywords=joseph+boot&qid=1764602715&sprefix=joseph+boot%2Caps%2C126&sr=8-6"><em>The Mission of God: A Manifesto of Hope for Society</em></a> – Joseph Boot</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Emergence-Liberty-Modern-World-Governments/dp/0875522971/ref=sr_1_1?crid=6YS3A9LH5E3I&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Wbcnivliq5qyPWa4TT_lF-ABZqXVSY9m5upKZs_19fI.PVU64QJQbt1y4w9L4QUksxM_Qb9QZY6sGT8TpvHBFKw&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+emergence+of+liberty+in+the+modern+world&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1765840774&sprefix=the+emergence+of+li%2Caps%2C105&sr=8-1">The Emergence of Liberty in the Modern World</a> – Douglas F. Kelly</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Dominion-Christian-Revolution-Remade-World/dp/1541675592/ref=sr_1_1?crid=ZS1QADXFR93A&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Ciy6RmpTf3s5gVVPNkwx_u0NVhGjG_CNAC2x6g9hCzha05f6iAG2gFNSGXSwlmoZVcc1z7sZX4BRSq1c_slhS62-8yjc5xAmTWPkYYlgP4X5kdH5hweY98kkHgpRYDQwNFPy6IsuwyLDnrPkKd16LRJc8qxDvKP11FDH9oGShTkFtlRMPd_eLYMt4QAIWrtY-reTtcFon9xFamMwb1Hq7bfruM1ZWJkr7VNd5eIOs94.ML70nTnGzYKcNbmQvKkOTnG2ipalFdHVqXlq4L5u2xM&dib_tag=se&keywords=dominion+tom+holland&qid=1765840825&sprefix=dominion+tom+holland%2Caps%2C106&sr=8-1">Dominion</a> – Tom Holland</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Book-that-Made-Your-World/dp/1595555455/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2IYU6W49UDN96&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.0g57T_2y8nsW8ftBIO2iEr-lrxOHtJ5hxJRnjhosmqo7BXQcWkXy0Jm-VPa1Ur2I8qOOUBi5WRb7g4VLaTvAYWHf9EnwBRO7PSVd5p2T0lo5Rm54HNlpQnUED4FdNQ2hl-YELQ9EtLhaFy23wwQD3_v1NoklE0xuGejLXvoyX2OYe56rwaDhzibyyQJJnhY2Tr__bYVLtrCO3v5dmQsSbuvco6OZcphHShp-O8a2SsE.xVXQS7EWE-p6kwvIJjs6blfZfA_QHKEQ3F-5E1pCaBM&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+book+that+made+your+world&qid=1765840850&sprefix=the+book+that%2Caps%2C114&sr=8-1">The Book that Made Your World: How the Bible Created the Soul of Western Civilization</a> – Vishal Mangalwadi</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mere-Christendom-Douglas-Wilson-ebook/dp/B0C5RKQ7FV/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2AQ4XZP5NPFUK&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ZjpQAKVPBlicc03W6Y5KazhT0TtNiBnvEtvaS6Vkjf722Gggx1EluCvHbvCR2pGypsw_OOQM7QdP0I0mz5a6sxukfxJbuQpGZ2GV6YYHN8Ik5ISYcv7q7F3ebLWHUNLTddDmIUHvCrCZZzG4AFUTQszln99wRCoMlfS6iFAmLRLl9vfgTInaD-ZGRE1qZ00L.hBv_5wLNpCbONPt4o3hWvMhLl9E47tvICS-xVvOkz0w&dib_tag=se&keywords=Mere+Christendom&qid=1765840894&sprefix=mere+christendom%2Caps%2C102&sr=8-1">Mere Christendom</a> – Douglas Wilson</li></ul>