<p><strong>ABOUT THE EPISODE</strong></p><p>Listen in as David Schrock &amp; Stephen Wellum interview David Closson on his COA Longform Essay &quot;A Case for Abortion Incrementalism&quot;</p><p><strong>Timestamps</strong></p><ul><li>00:30 – Intro</li><li>04:30 – How Did David Closson Become Impassioned about the Issue of Abortion?</li><li>06:40 – What Should People Take Away from David Closson’s Book?</li><li>09:00 – What Did Francis Schaeffer Argue For? Why Was No One Else Arguing Against Abortion?</li><li>12:36 – Anything to Be Encouraged or Discouraged By in Recent Years?</li><li>16:53 – The Differences Between Abolitionism and Incrementalism</li><li>19:00 – Is There a Way These Movements Can Work Together?</li><li>22:50 – Bill HR3755 and Abolitionists</li><li>25:50 – Are Incremental Bills More Effective?</li><li>27:47 – Is It Necessary for Pro-Life Advocates to Oppose Abolitionist Bills?</li><li>30:20 – Are Pro-Life Advocates Against Equal Protection Under the Law?</li><li>33:00 – The Different Roles of the Three Branches of Government</li><li>37:11 – Different Strategies Available to Us</li><li>40:20 – The Need for Cultural Renewal</li><li>45:05 – Has There Been Any Movement Towards an Abolitionist Bill in Texas?</li><li>48:38 – What Would Be Effective Against Chemical Abortions?</li><li>51:28 – An Area Where Abolitionists &amp; Incrementalists Could Unite</li><li>52:35 – Are Pastors Being Trained on the Doctrine of Humanity?</li><li>55:43 – Are There Particular Places in Culture Where Christians Should Be Involved?</li><li>1:00:00 – The Responsibility Our Churches Have Toward This Issue</li><li>1:02:05 – Final Thoughts &amp; David Closson’s Prayer</li><li>1:04:36 – Outro</li></ul><p><strong>Resources to Click</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/article/longform/a-case-for-abortion-incrementalism/">“A Case for Abortion Incrementallism”</a> – David Closson</li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/abortion-in-america-after-the-fall-of-roe-important-advances-and-remaining-challenges/">“Abortion in America After the Fall of Roe: Important Advances and Remaining Challenges”</a> – David Closson</li><li><a href="https://freethestates.org/abolitionist-not-pro-life/">“We are Abolitionists”</a> – Free the States</li><li><a href="https://freethestates.org/2019/02/immediate-not-gradual-abolition-of-abortion/">“Immediate, Not Gradual Abolition of Abortion”</a> – James Silberman</li><li><a href="https://freethestates.org/2021/09/abolitionist-perspective-on-the-texas-heartbeat-bill-three-quick-observations/">“Abolitionist Perspective on the Texas Heartbeat Bill: Three Quick Observations”</a> – James Silberman</li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R48tX2Xm4E">Abolition vs Incrementalism: A Panel Discussion</a> – The Danbury Institute</li><li><a href="https://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF25J65.pdf?v=2">“A National Survey of Churchgoing Americans: Social Issues and Worldview”</a> – Center for Biblical Worldview</li><li><a href="https://www.liveaction.org/news/planned-parenthood-closes-rolla-missouri-telehealth">“Planned Parenthood closes Rolla, MO facility, will continue telehealth”</a> – Nancy Flanders</li><li><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/11/12/planned-parenthood-medicaid-health-care/">“Planned Parenthood closes 20 clinics after Medicaid cuts, warns of grim future”</a> – Praveena Somasundaram</li><li><a href="https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/two-new-studies-provide-broadest-evidence-to-date-of-unequal-impacts-of-abortion-bans">“Two New Studies Provide Broadest Evidence to Date of Unequal Impacts of Abortion Bans”</a> – Blomberg School</li><li><a href="https://lozierinstitute.org/how-many-abortions-are-occurring-in-america-post-dobbs/">“How Many Abortions are Occurring in America Post-Dobbs?”</a> – Mia Steupert</li><li>Theme of the Month: <a href="https://christoverall.com/theme/abolishing-abortion-advocating-for-life/">Abolishing Abortion, Advocating for Life</a></li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/give/">Give to Support the Work</a></li></ul><p><strong>Books to Read</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Life-After-Roe-Equipping-Christians/dp/1430088001/ref=sr_1_1?crid=MTUABBSZOPHH&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5CbZGcPyz4OKg_BZ9rpGRUtqxDbiOaRlA5B9BN14zAGxFkyKHG2XSFu3jAK8GFXtRtp_CXk9XlXvp8rO7z80W6RpBv4rrh7jLcb4QuWB-WsmSzCrhvR1AU9_rx7jbFtJxBtM78HrwtKG_LViBhCHN4qoUxFbCZAnF2rPbVKGl7q3VC1o8T40c3ttboh_U0kU.1pHg5MfsC5k-MYnpWCBUsUM1nHJjLbDHWOqgZljKJVI&dib_tag=se&keywords=david+closson&qid=1767647737&sprefix=david+closso%2Caps%2C261&sr=8-1">Life After Roe: Equipping Christians in the Fight for Life Today</a> – David Closson</li></ul>