<p><strong>ABOUT THE EPISODE</strong></p><p>Listen in as Trent Hunter and Stephen Wellum interview David Schrock on his COA Longform Essay, &quot;Seeking a Convention That Is Not Southern Baptist In Name Only: How to Regain Trust, Rebuild the Trustee System, and Avoid an Impending Exodus of Vocal Conservatives&quot;</p><p><strong>Timestamps</strong></p><ul><li>00:45 – Intro</li><li>02:15 – Each COA Member’s SBC Biography</li><li>08:08 – Why Is COA Doing this Month?</li><li>12:50 – What 2 or 3 Articles From This Month are Recommended?</li><li>15:22 – Recognizing Leaders Whose Humility Regains Trust</li><li>20:50 – Applying Theology to the SBC Issues</li><li>25:46 – Recruiting Trustees Who Will Hold Entities Accountable</li><li>28:34 – The Baptist Courier Ad</li><li>29:50 – Accountability for Trustees</li><li>34:08 – Trustee Selection</li><li>36:00 – Reorganizing the Convention to Magnify Trust</li><li>44:14 – What Should SBC Messengers Be Looking For Between Now and Orlando?</li><li>51:32 – Walking in a Spirit of Cooperation/Outro</li></ul><p><strong>Resources to Click</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/article/longform/seeking-a-convention-that-is-not-southern-baptist-in-name-only-how-to-regain-trust-rebuild-the-trustee-system-and-avoid-an-impending-exodus-of-vocal-conservatives/">“Seeking a Convention That Is Not Southern Baptist In Name Only: How to Regain Trust, Rebuild the Trustee System, and Avoid an Impending Exodus of Vocal Conservatives”</a> – David Schrock</li><li><a href="https://religionnews.com/2020/09/16/southern-baptists-warm-to-moniker-great-commission-baptists/">“Southern Baptists warm to alternate moniker ‘Great Commission Baptists’”</a> – Adelle M. Banks</li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/theme/under-reconstruction-how-the-egalitarian-beachball-wrecks-the-household-of-god/">“Under Reconstruction: How the Egalitarian Beachball Wrecks the Household of God”</a> – Christ Over All</li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/theme/creeds-confessions-and-cooperation-the-basis-of-unity/">“Creeds, Confessions, and Cooperation: The Basis of Our Unity”</a> – Christ Over All</li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/theme/the-ethics-religious-liberty-conundrum/">“The Ethics &amp; Religious Liberty Conundrum”</a> – Christ Over All</li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/more-money-than-men-the-namb-church-planting-problem/">“More Money Than Men: The NAMB Church Planting Problem”</a> – Michael Clary</li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/whoever-holds-the-purse-holds-the-strings-the-financial-plan-that-could-end-the-sbc/">“Whoever Holds the Purse Holds the Strings: The Financial Plan that Could End the SBC”</a> – Rhett Burns</li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/whats-trusty-about-sbc-trustees-does-trustee-training-fix-ailing-entities-or-institutionalize-passivity/">“What’s Trusty About SBC Trustees: Does Trustee Training Fix Ailing Entities or Institutionalize Passivity?”</a> – Jon Whitehead</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/why-baptists-must-recover-the-order-of-love/">Why Baptists Must Recover the Order of Love</a>” – Alex Kocman</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/one-sacred-effeminacy-the-cooperative-longhouse-and-the-great-feminization-of-the-sbc/">One Sacred Effeminacy: The Cooperative Longhouse And the Great Feminization of the SBC</a>” – Doug Ponder</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/podcasts/interview/5-14-clint-pressley-david-schrock-stephen-wellum-interview-the-sbc-a-presidential-perspective-with-clint-pressley/">14 Clint Pressley, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘The SBC: A Presidential Perspective with Clint Pressley’</a>” – Christ Over All</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/podcasts/interview/5-16-josh-powell-david-schrock-stephen-wellum-interview-getting-to-know-sbc-presidential-candidate-josh-powell/">16 Josh Powell, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘Getting to Know SBC Presidential Candidate Josh Powell’</a>” – Christ Over All</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/podcasts/interview/5-17-willy-rice-david-schrock-stephen-wellum-interview-getting-to-know-sbc-presidential-candidate-willy-rice/">17 Willy Rice, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘Getting to Know SBC Presidential Candidate Willy Rice’</a>” – Christ Over All</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/what-is-the-cause-of-our-divisions-social-media-and-other-strategies-for-effecting-positive-change-in-the-sbc/">What Is the Cause of Our Divisions? Social Media and Other Strategies for Effecting Positive Change in the SBC</a>” – David Schrock</li><li>“<a href="https://founders.org/articles/the-attempt-to-clarify-resolution-9/">The Attempt to Clarify Resolution 9</a>” – Tom Ascol</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/stewardship-of-our-sbc-land/">Stewardship of Our SBC Land</a>” – Mark Coppenger</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/article/longform/too-busy-with-woke-stuff-the-all-too-invisible-and-inconsequential-erlc/">‘Too Busy with Woke Stuff’: The All Too (In)Visible and Inconsequential ERLC</a>” – Megan Basham</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/new-boss-same-as-the-old-boss-michels-iron-law-of-oligarchy-and-the-sbc/">New Boss, Same as the Old Boss: Michels’ Iron Law of Oligarchy and the SBC</a>” – Joshua Abbotoy</li><li><a href="https://founders.org/cinedoc/"><em>By What Standard? God’s World, God’s Rules</em></a> – Founders Ministries</li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNQk2y8cUJY"><em>How the SBC Got Played</em></a> – Crosspolitic Studios</li><li>X post by Cuatro Nelson (@cuatronelson), “<a href="https://x.com/cuatronelson/status/1968700587601543427">On Sunday, we officially voted to leave the Southern Baptist Convention…</a>,” September 18, 2025</li><li>“<a href="https://davidschrock.com/2021/06/18/we-dont-like-theology-do-we-three-reflections-from-the-2021-southern-baptist-convention/">We Don’t Like Theology, Do We? Three Reflections from the 2021 Southern Baptist Convention</a>” – David Schrock</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/article/longform/the-sbc-isnt-drifting-its-being-steered-a-sober-minded-response-to-emotional-sabotage/">The SBC Isn’t Drifting—It’s Being Steered: A Sober-Minded Response to Emotional Sabotage</a>” – Michael Carlino</li><li>“<a href="https://sbcvoices.com/greear-announces-most-diverse-ever-committee-on-committees/">Greear Announces Most Diverse Ever Committee on Committees</a>” – Brent Hobbs</li><li>“<a href="https://www.christianitytoday.com/2010/06/great-commission-resurgence-debate/">The Great Commission Resurgence Debate</a>” – Trevin Wax</li><li>Theme of the Month: <a href="https://christoverall.com/theme/can-the-center-hold-the-southern-baptist-convention-in-the-21st-century/">Can the Center Hold? The Southern Baptist Convention in the 21st Century</a></li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/give/">Give to Support the Work</a></li></ul><p><strong>Books to Read</strong></p><ul><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/sspa/click?ie=UTF8&spc=MToyMDk5OTEyOTI1MzY5NDIzOjE3NzQ1Mzg4OTk6c3BfYXRmOjMwMDMzOTk1MTU5NDAwMjo6MDo6&url=%2FFault-Lines-Movement-Evangelicalisms-Catastrophe%2Fdp%2F1684513286%2Fref%3Dsr_1_1_sspa%3Fcrid%3D3GBH7XPP65LKR%26dib%3DeyJ2IjoiMSJ9.kHMjYOrjfrWHZOQaG6JjKcVhrFQqr1B4qA8I2qJXIl1HoUUsQHPOJoyDz0dDhLYpy2BvU6uAV3Ace9zlRYZKuYg6mAOLzvPbh4tcpdapH_ctlbSb9Oigk_2WXOCIXxLnlH7808bh30Y7zjdMoMDyhRrDYD1nu4CFnDhrVh0tOV3vnguEXcTcu0zKmj194Rs6lmojw3VqWwTy7LI7U4EO-7j_O4eKXM7uH3CKeCy2SbA.4pyAZJA9Ui-kIM-mzEBEiHf1DOa0DCjIWhp9iv-G2OE%26dib_tag%3Dse%26keywords%3Dfault%2Blines%2Bvoddie%2Bbaucham%26qid%3D1774538899%26sprefix%3Dfault%2Blines%252Caps%252C173%26sr%3D8-1-spons%26sp_csd%3Dd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY%26psc%3D1">Fault Lines: The Social Justice Movement and Evangelicalism’s Looming Catastrophe</a><em> – </em>Voddie Baucham Jr.</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shepherds-Sale-Evangelical-Leaders-Leftist/dp/0063413442/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1VF7W0783S5DX&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.VbeVaAwMjB105CoyJjVsHBCfxX2XxHAj69N-yFeF1DY-EG1YnSuiu4PK-Op75j775aOrZAls26pBsqTKK72hvyQCnBdgvTbvjmakFfiW65PrtsWAkVWZyxAk4mfmXER9j41sy7SBMMf5tpPVFZx7ttMjHdb7y88dbtIXnwVQlRND3369KZOhuzzB-Fu3_DOENedXogwvk6zR4y6xnVfoxET6JQ8lHwwaCWADcOTsSoo.O1vXzxTQuR2dV00nwNYtPvzzypdfSBioyGxuWRcHStE&dib_tag=se&keywords=megan+basham&qid=1774538872&sprefix=megan+basham%2Caps%2C219&sr=8-1">Shepherds for Sale: How Evangelical Leaders Traded the Truth for a Leftist Agenda</a>– Megan Basham</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Fractured-Republic-Renewing-Americas-Individualism/dp/0465093248/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3B3X67WLD7TGB&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.knBnNPBF_LC5S7jCTaRTPLp4iMbr7xLQjpqbhzwMwmlFEDWiU20Z90JktU7JVR1MXPRwWVPpITCZtDZP147apr1pQmVPnGrwVjE_joPYxtWz8Swvb-oUqGSEwlwKGo7oXKch6mw3yl56x3p_k_VcOmKg5HdalkAG8fBoiphT3lCMcGy_zQjXyrj7V97xvQ5SeIizoCsI_RMIdpLeXthap1Mtr5xYOrJM4zKKCFvs2l0.VDwx8isiazhOUtsL9jKVhMvVsSd0omsjPrAiJAiDIK0&dib_tag=se&keywords=yuval+levin&qid=1774538930&sprefix=yuval+levin%2Caps%2C230&sr=8-4">The Fractured Republic: Renewing America’s Social Contract in an Age of Individualism</a> – Yuval Levin</p></ul>

Christ Over All

Christ Over All

5.19 David Schrock, Trent Hunter, & Stephen Wellum • Interview • “Seeking a Convention That Is Not Southern Baptist In Name Only: How to Regain Trust, Rebuild the Trustee System . . . "

MAR 30, 202652 MIN
Christ Over All

5.19 David Schrock, Trent Hunter, & Stephen Wellum • Interview • “Seeking a Convention That Is Not Southern Baptist In Name Only: How to Regain Trust, Rebuild the Trustee System . . . "

MAR 30, 202652 MIN

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<p><strong>ABOUT THE EPISODE</strong></p><p>Listen in as Trent Hunter and Stephen Wellum interview David Schrock on his COA Longform Essay, &quot;Seeking a Convention That Is Not Southern Baptist In Name Only: How to Regain Trust, Rebuild the Trustee System, and Avoid an Impending Exodus of Vocal Conservatives&quot;</p><p><strong>Timestamps</strong></p><ul><li>00:45 – Intro</li><li>02:15 – Each COA Member’s SBC Biography</li><li>08:08 – Why Is COA Doing this Month?</li><li>12:50 – What 2 or 3 Articles From This Month are Recommended?</li><li>15:22 – Recognizing Leaders Whose Humility Regains Trust</li><li>20:50 – Applying Theology to the SBC Issues</li><li>25:46 – Recruiting Trustees Who Will Hold Entities Accountable</li><li>28:34 – The Baptist Courier Ad</li><li>29:50 – Accountability for Trustees</li><li>34:08 – Trustee Selection</li><li>36:00 – Reorganizing the Convention to Magnify Trust</li><li>44:14 – What Should SBC Messengers Be Looking For Between Now and Orlando?</li><li>51:32 – Walking in a Spirit of Cooperation/Outro</li></ul><p><strong>Resources to Click</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/article/longform/seeking-a-convention-that-is-not-southern-baptist-in-name-only-how-to-regain-trust-rebuild-the-trustee-system-and-avoid-an-impending-exodus-of-vocal-conservatives/">“Seeking a Convention That Is Not Southern Baptist In Name Only: How to Regain Trust, Rebuild the Trustee System, and Avoid an Impending Exodus of Vocal Conservatives”</a> – David Schrock</li><li><a href="https://religionnews.com/2020/09/16/southern-baptists-warm-to-moniker-great-commission-baptists/">“Southern Baptists warm to alternate moniker ‘Great Commission Baptists’”</a> – Adelle M. Banks</li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/theme/under-reconstruction-how-the-egalitarian-beachball-wrecks-the-household-of-god/">“Under Reconstruction: How the Egalitarian Beachball Wrecks the Household of God”</a> – Christ Over All</li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/theme/creeds-confessions-and-cooperation-the-basis-of-unity/">“Creeds, Confessions, and Cooperation: The Basis of Our Unity”</a> – Christ Over All</li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/theme/the-ethics-religious-liberty-conundrum/">“The Ethics &amp; Religious Liberty Conundrum”</a> – Christ Over All</li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/more-money-than-men-the-namb-church-planting-problem/">“More Money Than Men: The NAMB Church Planting Problem”</a> – Michael Clary</li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/whoever-holds-the-purse-holds-the-strings-the-financial-plan-that-could-end-the-sbc/">“Whoever Holds the Purse Holds the Strings: The Financial Plan that Could End the SBC”</a> – Rhett Burns</li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/whats-trusty-about-sbc-trustees-does-trustee-training-fix-ailing-entities-or-institutionalize-passivity/">“What’s Trusty About SBC Trustees: Does Trustee Training Fix Ailing Entities or Institutionalize Passivity?”</a> – Jon Whitehead</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/why-baptists-must-recover-the-order-of-love/">Why Baptists Must Recover the Order of Love</a>” – Alex Kocman</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/one-sacred-effeminacy-the-cooperative-longhouse-and-the-great-feminization-of-the-sbc/">One Sacred Effeminacy: The Cooperative Longhouse And the Great Feminization of the SBC</a>” – Doug Ponder</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/podcasts/interview/5-14-clint-pressley-david-schrock-stephen-wellum-interview-the-sbc-a-presidential-perspective-with-clint-pressley/">14 Clint Pressley, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘The SBC: A Presidential Perspective with Clint Pressley’</a>” – Christ Over All</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/podcasts/interview/5-16-josh-powell-david-schrock-stephen-wellum-interview-getting-to-know-sbc-presidential-candidate-josh-powell/">16 Josh Powell, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘Getting to Know SBC Presidential Candidate Josh Powell’</a>” – Christ Over All</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/podcasts/interview/5-17-willy-rice-david-schrock-stephen-wellum-interview-getting-to-know-sbc-presidential-candidate-willy-rice/">17 Willy Rice, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum: ‘Getting to Know SBC Presidential Candidate Willy Rice’</a>” – Christ Over All</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/what-is-the-cause-of-our-divisions-social-media-and-other-strategies-for-effecting-positive-change-in-the-sbc/">What Is the Cause of Our Divisions? Social Media and Other Strategies for Effecting Positive Change in the SBC</a>” – David Schrock</li><li>“<a href="https://founders.org/articles/the-attempt-to-clarify-resolution-9/">The Attempt to Clarify Resolution 9</a>” – Tom Ascol</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/stewardship-of-our-sbc-land/">Stewardship of Our SBC Land</a>” – Mark Coppenger</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/article/longform/too-busy-with-woke-stuff-the-all-too-invisible-and-inconsequential-erlc/">‘Too Busy with Woke Stuff’: The All Too (In)Visible and Inconsequential ERLC</a>” – Megan Basham</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/article/concise/new-boss-same-as-the-old-boss-michels-iron-law-of-oligarchy-and-the-sbc/">New Boss, Same as the Old Boss: Michels’ Iron Law of Oligarchy and the SBC</a>” – Joshua Abbotoy</li><li><a href="https://founders.org/cinedoc/"><em>By What Standard? God’s World, God’s Rules</em></a> – Founders Ministries</li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNQk2y8cUJY"><em>How the SBC Got Played</em></a> – Crosspolitic Studios</li><li>X post by Cuatro Nelson (@cuatronelson), “<a href="https://x.com/cuatronelson/status/1968700587601543427">On Sunday, we officially voted to leave the Southern Baptist Convention…</a>,” September 18, 2025</li><li>“<a href="https://davidschrock.com/2021/06/18/we-dont-like-theology-do-we-three-reflections-from-the-2021-southern-baptist-convention/">We Don’t Like Theology, Do We? Three Reflections from the 2021 Southern Baptist Convention</a>” – David Schrock</li><li>“<a href="https://christoverall.com/article/longform/the-sbc-isnt-drifting-its-being-steered-a-sober-minded-response-to-emotional-sabotage/">The SBC Isn’t Drifting—It’s Being Steered: A Sober-Minded Response to Emotional Sabotage</a>” – Michael Carlino</li><li>“<a href="https://sbcvoices.com/greear-announces-most-diverse-ever-committee-on-committees/">Greear Announces Most Diverse Ever Committee on Committees</a>” – Brent Hobbs</li><li>“<a href="https://www.christianitytoday.com/2010/06/great-commission-resurgence-debate/">The Great Commission Resurgence Debate</a>” – Trevin Wax</li><li>Theme of the Month: <a href="https://christoverall.com/theme/can-the-center-hold-the-southern-baptist-convention-in-the-21st-century/">Can the Center Hold? The Southern Baptist Convention in the 21st Century</a></li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/give/">Give to Support the Work</a></li></ul><p><strong>Books to Read</strong></p><ul><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/sspa/click?ie=UTF8&spc=MToyMDk5OTEyOTI1MzY5NDIzOjE3NzQ1Mzg4OTk6c3BfYXRmOjMwMDMzOTk1MTU5NDAwMjo6MDo6&url=%2FFault-Lines-Movement-Evangelicalisms-Catastrophe%2Fdp%2F1684513286%2Fref%3Dsr_1_1_sspa%3Fcrid%3D3GBH7XPP65LKR%26dib%3DeyJ2IjoiMSJ9.kHMjYOrjfrWHZOQaG6JjKcVhrFQqr1B4qA8I2qJXIl1HoUUsQHPOJoyDz0dDhLYpy2BvU6uAV3Ace9zlRYZKuYg6mAOLzvPbh4tcpdapH_ctlbSb9Oigk_2WXOCIXxLnlH7808bh30Y7zjdMoMDyhRrDYD1nu4CFnDhrVh0tOV3vnguEXcTcu0zKmj194Rs6lmojw3VqWwTy7LI7U4EO-7j_O4eKXM7uH3CKeCy2SbA.4pyAZJA9Ui-kIM-mzEBEiHf1DOa0DCjIWhp9iv-G2OE%26dib_tag%3Dse%26keywords%3Dfault%2Blines%2Bvoddie%2Bbaucham%26qid%3D1774538899%26sprefix%3Dfault%2Blines%252Caps%252C173%26sr%3D8-1-spons%26sp_csd%3Dd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY%26psc%3D1">Fault Lines: The Social Justice Movement and Evangelicalism’s Looming Catastrophe</a><em> – </em>Voddie Baucham Jr.</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shepherds-Sale-Evangelical-Leaders-Leftist/dp/0063413442/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1VF7W0783S5DX&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.VbeVaAwMjB105CoyJjVsHBCfxX2XxHAj69N-yFeF1DY-EG1YnSuiu4PK-Op75j775aOrZAls26pBsqTKK72hvyQCnBdgvTbvjmakFfiW65PrtsWAkVWZyxAk4mfmXER9j41sy7SBMMf5tpPVFZx7ttMjHdb7y88dbtIXnwVQlRND3369KZOhuzzB-Fu3_DOENedXogwvk6zR4y6xnVfoxET6JQ8lHwwaCWADcOTsSoo.O1vXzxTQuR2dV00nwNYtPvzzypdfSBioyGxuWRcHStE&dib_tag=se&keywords=megan+basham&qid=1774538872&sprefix=megan+basham%2Caps%2C219&sr=8-1">Shepherds for Sale: How Evangelical Leaders Traded the Truth for a Leftist Agenda</a>– Megan Basham</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Fractured-Republic-Renewing-Americas-Individualism/dp/0465093248/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3B3X67WLD7TGB&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.knBnNPBF_LC5S7jCTaRTPLp4iMbr7xLQjpqbhzwMwmlFEDWiU20Z90JktU7JVR1MXPRwWVPpITCZtDZP147apr1pQmVPnGrwVjE_joPYxtWz8Swvb-oUqGSEwlwKGo7oXKch6mw3yl56x3p_k_VcOmKg5HdalkAG8fBoiphT3lCMcGy_zQjXyrj7V97xvQ5SeIizoCsI_RMIdpLeXthap1Mtr5xYOrJM4zKKCFvs2l0.VDwx8isiazhOUtsL9jKVhMvVsSd0omsjPrAiJAiDIK0&dib_tag=se&keywords=yuval+levin&qid=1774538930&sprefix=yuval+levin%2Caps%2C230&sr=8-4">The Fractured Republic: Renewing America’s Social Contract in an Age of Individualism</a> – Yuval Levin</p></ul>