<description>&lt;p&gt;According to Ex. 13:21, as the people of Israel made their way out of Egypt, we’re told that Yahweh went before the people of Israel in a pillar of cloud and fire. What’s odd, however, is that the next chapter tells us it was the “angel of God” who went before the host of Israel in the pillar (Ex 4:19). So, how do we explain the difference between these two passages? Did an angel lead the people out of Egypt, or was it Yahweh himself? On this episode, Shane discusses these questions and more with Matt Foreman and Doug Van Dorn, authors of &lt;em&gt;The Angel of the Lord: A Biblical, Historical, and Theological Study.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;For a gift of any amount to help support the work of The Humble Skeptic podcast, we’ll send you a 12-page PDF resource titled “Finding Christ in All of Scripture.” &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://shanerose.substack.com/p/finding-christ-in-all-of-scripture"&gt;Click here&lt;/a&gt; for a preview.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;SHOW NOTES&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Related Books&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Angel-LORD-Biblical-Historical-Theological/dp/1735003808"&gt;The Angel of the Lord&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;, Foreman &amp; Van Dorn&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086YWD63Q"&gt;Christ in All of Scripture&lt;/a&gt; (5 Book Series)&lt;em&gt;, Foreman &amp; Van Dorn&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.abebooks.com/9781596386341/Jesus-Old-Testament-Basics-Faith-1596386347/plp"&gt;Jesus in the Old Testament&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Iain Duguid&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;#38;amp;p=1233100&amp;#38;amp;item_no=955384"&gt;Journeys with Jesus&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;, Dennis Johnson&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;#38;amp;p=1233100&amp;#38;amp;item_no=557989"&gt;Echoes of Exodus: Tracing the Theme of Redemption&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;em&gt; Roberts &amp; Wilson&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;#38;amp;p=1233100&amp;#38;amp;item_no=562938"&gt;Joseph: A Story of Love, Hate, Slavery, Power &amp; Forgiveness&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;em&gt; John Lennox&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;#38;amp;p=1233100&amp;#38;amp;item_no=588365"&gt;The Surprising Genius of Jesus&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Peter J. Williams&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;#38;amp;p=1233100&amp;#38;amp;item_no=588784"&gt;The Jewish Gospels&lt;/a&gt;, Daniel Boyarin&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?rgnp=na&amp;#38;sts=t&amp;#38;cm_sp=SearchF-_-home-_-Results&amp;#38;ctyp=us&amp;#38;ref_=search_f_hp&amp;#38;tn=logos&amp;#38;an=John%20Ronning"&gt;The Jewish Targums &amp; John’s Logos Theology&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;, John Ronning&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;#38;amp;p=1233100&amp;#38;amp;item_no=071648"&gt;A Handbook on the Jewish Roots of the Christian Faith&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Craig Evans&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;#38;amp;p=1233100&amp;#38;amp;item_no=073420"&gt;A Handbook on the Jewish Roots of the Gospels&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Craig Evans&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;#38;amp;p=1233100&amp;#38;amp;item_no=9106041"&gt;Proof of the Gospel&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Eusebius of Caesarea&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Related Articles&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://shanerose.substack.com/p/finding-christ-in-all-of-scripture"&gt;Finding Christ in All of Scripture&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;, Shane Rosenthal&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/new-life-in-the-new-year"&gt;New Life in the New Year: The Story of Exodus&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Shane Rosenthal&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/isaiahs-prophecy-of-the-messiahs"&gt;Isaiah’s Prophecy of the Messiah’s Birth&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;em&gt; Shane Rosenthal&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/passover-and-the-last-supper"&gt;Passover &amp; The Last Supper&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Shane Rosenthal&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://shanerose.substack.com/p/where-was-jesus-crucified"&gt;Where Was Jesus Crucified?&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Shane Rosenthal&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://shanerose.substack.com/p/water-into-wine"&gt;Water Into Wine?&lt;/a&gt; &lt;em&gt;Shane Rosenthal&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://shanerose.substack.com/p/why-should-we-believe-the-bible"&gt;Why Should We Believe The Bible?&lt;/a&gt; (PDF), &lt;em&gt;Shane Rosenthal&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://shanerose.substack.com/p/what-is-the-most-important-thing"&gt;What’s the Most Important Thing in the Bible?&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;em&gt; Shane Rosenthal&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://shanerose.substack.com/p/a-new-way-of-reading-scripture"&gt;A New Way of Reading Scripture&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;, Shane Rosenthal&lt;/em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Related Audio&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/did-the-exodus-ever-happen"&gt;Did The Exodus Ever Happen?&lt;/a&gt; &lt;em&gt;Humble Skeptic #69 with David Rohl&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/jewish-views-of-the-messiah"&gt;Jewish Views of the Messiah&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;, Humble Skeptic #38 with Daniel Boyarin&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/whi-radio-members/2015whi1243feb01-extended.mp3"&gt;Were Jews Expecting a Divine Messiah?&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;WHI #1243 with Craig Evans&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/jacobs-ladder"&gt;Jacob’s Ladder&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;em&gt; Humble Skeptic #63 with Richard Bauckham and others&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/babylon"&gt;Babylon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;, Humble Skeptic Episode #66 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/decoding-the-prophecies-of-daniel"&gt;Decoding the Prophecies of Daniel&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;, Humble Skeptic #68 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://whi-radio-members.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/2021whi1568apr25-extended.mp3"&gt;How to Read &amp; Apply the Old Testament&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;WHI #1568 with Iain Duguid&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/what-did-the-earliest-christians"&gt;What Did The Earliest Christians Believe&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;em&gt; HS #25 with Dennis Johnson&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/the-big-picture"&gt;The Big Picture&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;, Humble Skeptic #26 with J. Daniel Hays&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/stories-of-jesus-can-they-be-trusted"&gt;Stories of Jesus: Can They Be Trusted?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt; HS #61 with Peter J. Williams&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://shanerose.substack.com/p/the-gospel-creed#details"&gt;The Gospel Creed&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Humble Skeptic Episode #9&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;UPCOMING EVENTS&lt;strong&gt;The Messianic Hope&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Memphis, TN, April 11-13&lt;/em&gt;Shane Rosenthal will be giving a series of talks related to Christ’s fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy at this weekend conference in Rosemark, TN. &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/events/2468153333566990"&gt;Click here&lt;/a&gt; for more information.&lt;strong&gt;Who Is Jesus?: Bridging Diverse Voices&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;,&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;St. Louis, MO, April 24th.&lt;/em&gt;Shane Rosenthal and Michael McClymond will be defending the historic Christian view of Jesus at this Christian / Muslim conversation which will take place at St. Louis Community College Meramec (located at 11333 Big Bend Rd, in Kirkwood, MO). The purpose is to highlight some of the differences between Christian and Muslim perspectives related to Jesus’ identity and mission and to take questions from students. This event is brought to you by St. Louis Community College in partnership with ReThink315. &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://rethink315apologetics.com/event/who-is-jesus-bridging-diverse-voices/"&gt;Click here for more info&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Share with Friends &amp; Family&lt;/strong&gt;If you’re a fan of the show, please tell others about the show, and consider posting a link to this episode via your social media feed. Just copy the URL of this page, paste it into your feed, and write a few words. Also, consider writing a positive review of this podcast via the Apple Podcast app, or your preferred podcast portal. The more reviews we get, the more exposure we get! 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The Humble Skeptic

Truth Isn't Afraid of Questions

The Angel of Yahweh

MAR 21, 202563 MIN
The Humble Skeptic

The Angel of Yahweh

MAR 21, 202563 MIN

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<p>According to Ex. 13:21, as the people of Israel made their way out of Egypt, we’re told that Yahweh went before the people of Israel in a pillar of cloud and fire. What’s odd, however, is that the next chapter tells us it was the “angel of God” who went before the host of Israel in the pillar (Ex 4:19). So, how do we explain the difference between these two passages? Did an angel lead the people out of Egypt, or was it Yahweh himself? On this episode, Shane discusses these questions and more with Matt Foreman and Doug Van Dorn, authors of <em>The Angel of the Lord: A Biblical, Historical, and Theological Study.</em></p><p>For a gift of any amount to help support the work of The Humble Skeptic podcast, we’ll send you a 12-page PDF resource titled “Finding Christ in All of Scripture.” <a target="_blank" href="https://shanerose.substack.com/p/finding-christ-in-all-of-scripture">Click here</a> for a preview.</p><p>SHOW NOTES</p><p><strong>Related Books</strong><a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Angel-LORD-Biblical-Historical-Theological/dp/1735003808">The Angel of the Lord</a><em>, Foreman & Van Dorn</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086YWD63Q">Christ in All of Scripture</a> (5 Book Series)<em>, Foreman & Van Dorn</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.abebooks.com/9781596386341/Jesus-Old-Testament-Basics-Faith-1596386347/plp">Jesus in the Old Testament</a>, <em>Iain Duguid</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&#38;amp;p=1233100&#38;amp;item_no=955384">Journeys with Jesus</a><em>, Dennis Johnson</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&#38;amp;p=1233100&#38;amp;item_no=557989">Echoes of Exodus: Tracing the Theme of Redemption</a>,<em> Roberts & Wilson</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&#38;amp;p=1233100&#38;amp;item_no=562938">Joseph: A Story of Love, Hate, Slavery, Power & Forgiveness</a>,<em> John Lennox</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&#38;amp;p=1233100&#38;amp;item_no=588365">The Surprising Genius of Jesus</a>, <em>Peter J. Williams</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&#38;amp;p=1233100&#38;amp;item_no=588784">The Jewish Gospels</a>, Daniel Boyarin<a target="_blank" href="https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?rgnp=na&#38;sts=t&#38;cm_sp=SearchF-_-home-_-Results&#38;ctyp=us&#38;ref_=search_f_hp&#38;tn=logos&#38;an=John%20Ronning">The Jewish Targums & John’s Logos Theology</a><em>, John Ronning</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&#38;amp;p=1233100&#38;amp;item_no=071648">A Handbook on the Jewish Roots of the Christian Faith</a>, <em>Craig Evans</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&#38;amp;p=1233100&#38;amp;item_no=073420">A Handbook on the Jewish Roots of the Gospels</a>, <em>Craig Evans</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&#38;amp;p=1233100&#38;amp;item_no=9106041">Proof of the Gospel</a>, <em>Eusebius of Caesarea</em></p><p><strong>Related Articles</strong><a target="_blank" href="https://shanerose.substack.com/p/finding-christ-in-all-of-scripture">Finding Christ in All of Scripture</a><em>, Shane Rosenthal</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/new-life-in-the-new-year">New Life in the New Year: The Story of Exodus</a>, <em>Shane Rosenthal</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/isaiahs-prophecy-of-the-messiahs">Isaiah’s Prophecy of the Messiah’s Birth</a>,<em> Shane Rosenthal</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/passover-and-the-last-supper">Passover & The Last Supper</a>, <em>Shane Rosenthal</em><a target="_blank" href="https://shanerose.substack.com/p/where-was-jesus-crucified">Where Was Jesus Crucified?</a>, <em>Shane Rosenthal</em><a target="_blank" href="https://shanerose.substack.com/p/water-into-wine">Water Into Wine?</a> <em>Shane Rosenthal</em><a target="_blank" href="https://shanerose.substack.com/p/why-should-we-believe-the-bible">Why Should We Believe The Bible?</a> (PDF), <em>Shane Rosenthal</em><a target="_blank" href="https://shanerose.substack.com/p/what-is-the-most-important-thing">What’s the Most Important Thing in the Bible?</a>,<em> Shane Rosenthal</em><a target="_blank" href="https://shanerose.substack.com/p/a-new-way-of-reading-scripture">A New Way of Reading Scripture</a><em>, Shane Rosenthal</em><strong>Related Audio</strong><a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/did-the-exodus-ever-happen">Did The Exodus Ever Happen?</a> <em>Humble Skeptic #69 with David Rohl</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/jewish-views-of-the-messiah">Jewish Views of the Messiah</a><em>, Humble Skeptic #38 with Daniel Boyarin</em><a target="_blank" href="https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/whi-radio-members/2015whi1243feb01-extended.mp3">Were Jews Expecting a Divine Messiah?</a>, <em>WHI #1243 with Craig Evans</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/jacobs-ladder">Jacob’s Ladder</a>,<em> Humble Skeptic #63 with Richard Bauckham and others</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/babylon">Babylon</a><em>, Humble Skeptic Episode #66 </em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/decoding-the-prophecies-of-daniel">Decoding the Prophecies of Daniel</a><em>, Humble Skeptic #68 </em><a target="_blank" href="https://whi-radio-members.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/2021whi1568apr25-extended.mp3">How to Read & Apply the Old Testament</a>, <em>WHI #1568 with Iain Duguid</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/what-did-the-earliest-christians">What Did The Earliest Christians Believe</a>?<em> HS #25 with Dennis Johnson</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/the-big-picture">The Big Picture</a><em>, Humble Skeptic #26 with J. Daniel Hays</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/p/stories-of-jesus-can-they-be-trusted">Stories of Jesus: Can They Be Trusted?</a><em> HS #61 with Peter J. Williams</em><a target="_blank" href="https://shanerose.substack.com/p/the-gospel-creed#details">The Gospel Creed</a>, <em>Humble Skeptic Episode #9</em></p><p>UPCOMING EVENTS<strong>The Messianic Hope</strong>, <em>Memphis, TN, April 11-13</em>Shane Rosenthal will be giving a series of talks related to Christ’s fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy at this weekend conference in Rosemark, TN. <a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/events/2468153333566990">Click here</a> for more information.<strong>Who Is Jesus?: Bridging Diverse Voices</strong><em>,</em> <em>St. Louis, MO, April 24th.</em>Shane Rosenthal and Michael McClymond will be defending the historic Christian view of Jesus at this Christian / Muslim conversation which will take place at St. Louis Community College Meramec (located at 11333 Big Bend Rd, in Kirkwood, MO). The purpose is to highlight some of the differences between Christian and Muslim perspectives related to Jesus’ identity and mission and to take questions from students. This event is brought to you by St. Louis Community College in partnership with ReThink315. <a target="_blank" href="https://rethink315apologetics.com/event/who-is-jesus-bridging-diverse-voices/">Click here for more info</a>.</p><p><strong>Share with Friends & Family</strong>If you’re a fan of the show, please tell others about the show, and consider posting a link to this episode via your social media feed. Just copy the URL of this page, paste it into your feed, and write a few words. Also, consider writing a positive review of this podcast via the Apple Podcast app, or your preferred podcast portal. The more reviews we get, the more exposure we get! Thanks for your help!</p><p><strong>Make a One-Time Gift or Upgrade to a Paid Subscription</strong>Consider supporting <em>The Humble Skeptic</em> podcast by making a one-time gift or upgrading to a paid subscription via Substack ($5.95 per month, $59 per year). Tax-deductible giving options are also available.</p> <br/><br/>Get full access to The Humble Skeptic at <a href="https://www.humbleskeptic.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_4">www.humbleskeptic.com/subscribe</a>