On the 154th episode of What Is a Good Life?, I’m joined by Katie Elliott. Katie is a facilitator, writer, and programme designer working across community and organisational settings. With a background in jazz and a long-standing fascination with human change and habits, she creates tools, conversations, and projects that explore how people make sense of themselves and one another. Her work includes Amiko® Cards, the Adventures in Behaviour Change podcast, a series of children’s books, and an album of original piano music.In this conversation, we explore curiosity, bewilderment, and the value of staying with experience rather than rushing to explain or resolve it. We talk about patterns, presence, and how meaning slowly reveals itself in relationships and in life — showing how deeper listening and meaningful conversation can genuinely shift how you see yourself and others.For more of Katie's work:Website: https://www.littlechallenges.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katieelliott/For more of my work:Contact me at [email protected] if you'd like to explore your own good life through:- 1-on-1 coaching and online group courses: https://www.whatisagood.life/p/individual-coaching- The podcast's YouTube page: https://www.youtube.com/@whatisagoodlife/videos- My newsletter: https://www.whatisagood.life/p/individual-coaching00:00 — Patterns and Play 04:31 — Bewildered by Humans 07:48 — Not Being Believed 10:21 — Staying Open 13:01 — Kindness Inside 17:17 — Being Human Together 20:56 — Dropping the Mask 23:31 — Jazz and Freedom31:26 — Creating Human Spaces 40:44 — Making Meaning Together 52:31 — What is a Good Life for Katie?