<p>What does it actually take to build a non-alcoholic spirit that the bar world respects?</p><p>In this episode of Business of Drinks, Chris Abbott, co-founder of The Pathfinder, walks us through how the NA brand scaled to more than 20,000 nine-liter cases in 2025 — up over 80% year-over-year — by doing something many emerging brands skip: Earning credibility on-premise first.</p><p>From Day One, The Pathfinder wasn’t positioned around what it doesn’t have. Instead, the team spent two years developing a fermented and distilled hemp-seed base, layered with 20 botanicals, so bartenders could treat it like a real spirit. Their key insight? If you want back-bar respect, build like a spirits brand — not a wellness brand.</p><p>Chris shares why they went after the hardest accounts first — bars you can’t buy your way into — and how landing 50 to 100 serious on-premise placements before leaning on distributors changed the entire conversation. As he observes, case studies are helpful, but visible traction in elite accounts is what turns heads inside distribution (and for consumer brand awareness).</p><p>He’s also transparent about what really motivates distributor partners. It’s not just growth charts. It’s whether reps believe they can make money selling the brand. Once that clicks, velocity follows.</p><p>We talk about the unexpected upside of scarcity (including an early COVID-era stockout that created outsized buzz), why the company resisted the typical CPG urge to launch multiple SKUs too early, and how RTDs were introduced later as a smart trial and versatility play — not as a distraction from the core bottle.</p><p>Retail expansion through Total Wine and Whole Foods became another proof point. When Pathfinder started selling in markets where the founders weren’t personally hand-selling or training staff, that’s when they knew product-market fit had moved beyond the echo chamber.</p><p>At its core, this is a conversation about disciplined growth. Chris returns again and again to fundamentals: Unit economics, profitable scaling, and earning the right to expand into new states and new channels.</p><p>If you’re building in non-alc, spirits, THC, functional, or any emerging drinks category where credibility with the trade matters, this episode offers a replicable blueprint for how to do it — and how to scale without losing focus.</p><p><strong>For the latest updates, follow us:</strong></p><p><strong>Business of Drinks:</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@Businessofdrinkspodcast"><u>YouTube</u></a></p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/business-of-drinks/"><u>LinkedIn</u></a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/bizofdrinks/"><u>Instagram @bizofdrinks</u></a></p><p><strong>Erica Duecy, co-host: </strong>Erica Duecy is founder and co-host of <em>Business of Drinks</em> and one of the drinks industry’s most accomplished digital and content strategists. She runs the consultancy and advisory arm of <em>Business of Drinks</em> and has built publishing and marketing programs for Drizly, VinePair, SevenFifty, and other hospitality and drinks tech companies.</p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/erica-duecy-4a35844/"><u>LinkedIn</u></a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/ericaduecy/"><u>Instagram @ericaduecy</u></a></p><p><strong>Scott Rosenbaum, co-host: </strong>Scott Rosenbaum is co-host of <em>Business of Drinks</em> and a veteran strategist and analyst with deep experience building drinks portfolios. Most recently, he was the Portfolio Development Director at Distill Ventures. Prior to that, he was the Vice President of T. Edward Wines &amp; Spirits, a New York-based importer and distributor.</p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-m-rosenbaum/"><u>LinkedIn</u></a></p><p><strong>Caroline Lamb, contributor: </strong>Caroline is a producer and on-air contributor at <em>Business of Drinks</em> and a key account sales and marketing specialist at AHD Vintners, a Michigan-based importer and distributor.</p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/caroline-bork-lamb/"><u>LinkedIn</u></a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/borkaline/"><u>Instagram @borkaline</u></a></p><p>If you enjoyed today’s conversation, follow Business of Drinks wherever you’re listening, and don’t forget to rate and review us. Your support helps us reach new listeners passionate about the drinks industry. Thank you!</p><p><br></p>