You're listening to an episode of Marketing Against The Grain — a podcast that leads you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics, and innovation.If you like what you hear, search for Marketing Against The Grain in your favorite podcast app — like the one you're using right now!About This Episode:Kipp Bodnar (CMO of HubSpot) and (Kieran CMO of Zapier) share unsolicited business advice for Bob Iger and Disney. You'll learn what business moves have paid off for Disney, which business moves are killing Disney, and tips on how they can rise up from their downfall and make an even bigger splash.