<description>&lt;p&gt;Tom and Nate sit down for a classic discussion of the role of AI in the modern philosophy of science. Much of this discussion is based on Thomas Samuel Kuhn's influential book &lt;em&gt;The Structure of Scientific Revolutions&lt;/em&gt;. We ask -- is AI a science in the Kuhn'ian sense? Will the "paradigm" worldview apply to other sciences post AI? How will scientific institutions manage the addition of AI?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We promised an AI for science reading list, so here it is:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://youtu.be/ugvHCXCOmm4?si=1hnlvue8M4pV2TqC"&gt;[Dario interview with Lex]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="https://youtu.be/ugvHCXCOmm4?si=1hnlvue8M4pV2TqC"&gt;https://youtu.be/ugvHCXCOmm4?si=1hnlvue8M4pV2TqC&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/cell/p/levers?r=68gy5&amp;amp;utm_medium=ios"&gt;Levers for biological progress&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/cell/p/levers?r=68gy5&amp;amp;utm_medium=ios"&gt;https://open.substack.com/pub/cell/p/levers?r=68gy5&amp;amp;utm_medium=ios&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/AdamMarblestone/status/1845158919523664019"&gt;X thread on theories of change in scienceshttps://x.com/AdamMarblestone/status/1845158919523664019&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;whitepaper linked by seb krier&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Dwarkesh physics pod &lt;a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/dwarkesh/p/adam-brown?r=68gy5&amp;amp;utm_medium=ios"&gt;https://open.substack.com/pub/dwarkesh/p/adam-brown?r=68gy5&amp;amp;utm_medium=ios&lt;/a&gt; — Nobel in physics went to ai&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Ai policy perspectives piece &lt;a href="https://www.aipolicyperspectives.com/p/a-new-golden-age-of-discovery"&gt;&lt;em&gt;A new golden age of discovery&lt;/em&gt;https://www.aipolicyperspectives.com/p/a-new-golden-age-of-discovery&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Owl posting checking recent NeurIPS papers &lt;a href="https://www.owlposting.com/p/can-o1-preview-find-major-mistakes"&gt;https://www.owlposting.com/p/can-o1-preview-find-major-mistakes&lt;/a&gt; based on idea from Ethan Mollick &lt;a href="https://x.com/emollick/status/1868329599438037491"&gt;https://x.com/emollick/status/1868329599438037491&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;also another post on the subject &lt;a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/amistrongeryet/p/the-black-spatula-project?r=68gy5&amp;amp;utm_medium=ios"&gt;https://open.substack.com/pub/amistrongeryet/p/the-black-spatula-project?r=68gy5&amp;amp;utm_medium=ios&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Kuhn’s &lt;em&gt;The Structure of Scientific Revolutions&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;intrinsic perspective &lt;a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/erikhoel/p/great-scientists-follow-intuition?r=68gy5&amp;amp;utm_medium=ios"&gt;https://open.substack.com/pub/erikhoel/p/great-scientists-follow-intuition?r=68gy5&amp;amp;utm_medium=ios&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;Get The Retort (&lt;a href="https://retortai.com/)…" class="linkified" target="_blank"&gt;https://retortai.com/)…&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;… on YouTube: &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/@TheRetortAIPodcast" class="linkified" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.youtube.com/@TheRetortAIPodcast&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;… on Spotify: &lt;a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/0FDjH8ujv7p8ELZGkBvrfv?si=fa17a4d408f245ee" class="linkified" target="_blank"&gt;https://open.spotify.com/show/0FDjH8ujv7p8ELZGkBvrfv?si=fa17a4d408f245ee&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;… on Apple Podcasts: &lt;a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-retort-ai-podcast/id1706223190" class="linkified" target="_blank"&gt;https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-retort-ai-podcast/id1706223190&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;… Follow Interconnects: &lt;a href="https://www.interconnects.ai/" class="linkified" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.interconnects.ai/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;… email us: &lt;a href="mailto:mail@retortai.com" class="linkified"&gt;mail@retortai.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit &lt;a href="https://www.retortai.com?utm_medium=podcast&amp;#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1"&gt;www.retortai.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>

The Retort AI Podcast

Nathan Lambert

We ask again: Is AI a science?

JAN 10, 202553 MIN
The Retort AI Podcast

We ask again: Is AI a science?

JAN 10, 202553 MIN

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<p>Tom and Nate sit down for a classic discussion of the role of AI in the modern philosophy of science. Much of this discussion is based on Thomas Samuel Kuhn's influential book <em>The Structure of Scientific Revolutions</em>. We ask -- is AI a science in the Kuhn'ian sense? Will the "paradigm" worldview apply to other sciences post AI? How will scientific institutions manage the addition of AI?</p><p>We promised an AI for science reading list, so here it is:</p><ul><li><a href="https://youtu.be/ugvHCXCOmm4?si=1hnlvue8M4pV2TqC">[Dario interview with Lex]</a> <a href="https://youtu.be/ugvHCXCOmm4?si=1hnlvue8M4pV2TqC">https://youtu.be/ugvHCXCOmm4?si=1hnlvue8M4pV2TqC</a></li><li><a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/cell/p/levers?r=68gy5&amp;utm_medium=ios">Levers for biological progress</a> <a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/cell/p/levers?r=68gy5&amp;utm_medium=ios">https://open.substack.com/pub/cell/p/levers?r=68gy5&amp;utm_medium=ios</a></li><li><a href="https://x.com/AdamMarblestone/status/1845158919523664019">X thread on theories of change in scienceshttps://x.com/AdamMarblestone/status/1845158919523664019</a></li><li>whitepaper linked by seb krier</li><li>Dwarkesh physics pod <a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/dwarkesh/p/adam-brown?r=68gy5&amp;utm_medium=ios">https://open.substack.com/pub/dwarkesh/p/adam-brown?r=68gy5&amp;utm_medium=ios</a> — Nobel in physics went to ai</li><li>Ai policy perspectives piece <a href="https://www.aipolicyperspectives.com/p/a-new-golden-age-of-discovery"><em>A new golden age of discovery</em>https://www.aipolicyperspectives.com/p/a-new-golden-age-of-discovery</a></li><li>Owl posting checking recent NeurIPS papers <a href="https://www.owlposting.com/p/can-o1-preview-find-major-mistakes">https://www.owlposting.com/p/can-o1-preview-find-major-mistakes</a> based on idea from Ethan Mollick <a href="https://x.com/emollick/status/1868329599438037491">https://x.com/emollick/status/1868329599438037491</a></li><li>also another post on the subject <a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/amistrongeryet/p/the-black-spatula-project?r=68gy5&amp;utm_medium=ios">https://open.substack.com/pub/amistrongeryet/p/the-black-spatula-project?r=68gy5&amp;utm_medium=ios</a></li><li>Kuhn’s <em>The Structure of Scientific Revolutions</em></li><li>intrinsic perspective <a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/erikhoel/p/great-scientists-follow-intuition?r=68gy5&amp;utm_medium=ios">https://open.substack.com/pub/erikhoel/p/great-scientists-follow-intuition?r=68gy5&amp;utm_medium=ios</a></li></ul><p>Get The Retort (<a href="https://retortai.com/)…" class="linkified" target="_blank">https://retortai.com/)…</a><br/>… on YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@TheRetortAIPodcast" class="linkified" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@TheRetortAIPodcast</a><br/>… on Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/0FDjH8ujv7p8ELZGkBvrfv?si=fa17a4d408f245ee" class="linkified" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/0FDjH8ujv7p8ELZGkBvrfv?si=fa17a4d408f245ee</a><br/>… on Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-retort-ai-podcast/id1706223190" class="linkified" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-retort-ai-podcast/id1706223190</a><br/>… Follow Interconnects: <a href="https://www.interconnects.ai/" class="linkified" target="_blank">https://www.interconnects.ai/</a><br/>… email us: <a href="mailto:[email protected]" class="linkified">[email protected]</a></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.retortai.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1">www.retortai.com</a>