<description>&lt;p&gt;How do you navigate a founding CTO's transition when they're struggling to scale? Kelli and Nolan share hard-won wisdom on avoiding common pitfalls: don't rush to judgment, build trust first, and respect the deep bonds between founders. Instead of plotting replacements, focus on supporting growth - and remember that even the best transitions happen through relationships, not force.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;*Email us your questions or topics for Kelli &amp; Nolan: hrheretics@turpentine.co&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;For coaching and advising inquire at &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://kellidragovich.com/"&gt;https://kellidragovich.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;HR Heretics is a podcast from Turpentine.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;—&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;📰 Be notified early when Turpentine's drops new publication: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.turpentine.co/exclusiveaccess"&gt;https://www.turpentine.co/exclusiveaccess&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Support HR Heretics Sponsor:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Metaview&lt;/strong&gt; is the AI assistant for interviewing. Metaview completely removes the need for recruiters and hiring managers to take notes during interviews—because their AI is designed to take world-class interview notes for you. Team builders at companies like Brex, Hellofresh, and Quora say Metaview has changed the game—see the magic for yourself: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.metaview.ai/heretics"&gt;https://www.metaview.ai/heretics&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;KEEP UP WITH NOLAN, + KELLI ON LINKEDIN&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nolan: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/"&gt;https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Kelli: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/"&gt;https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;—&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;TIMESTAMPS:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(00:00) Intro&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(01:52) Avoid Premature Judgments&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(04:43) Nuance and Relationship Building&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(07:43) Sponsor Message: Metaview&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(08:55) Further Discussion: Investing in Existing Leadership&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(11:25) Additional Insights: Truth and Trust&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(13:02) The Risk of Premature Action&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(14:23) Summary and Emotional Dynamics&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(14:46) Board Involvement and Conclusion&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(15:37) Wrap&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit &lt;a href="https://hrheretics.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&amp;#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1"&gt;hrheretics.substack.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>

“HR Heretics” | How CPOs, CHROs, Founders, and Boards Build High Performing Companies

HR Heretics

Beyond the Red Flags: Managing Leadership Evolution

NOV 19, 202416 MIN
“HR Heretics” | How CPOs, CHROs, Founders, and Boards Build High Performing Companies

Beyond the Red Flags: Managing Leadership Evolution

NOV 19, 202416 MIN

Description

<p>How do you navigate a founding CTO's transition when they're struggling to scale? Kelli and Nolan share hard-won wisdom on avoiding common pitfalls: don't rush to judgment, build trust first, and respect the deep bonds between founders. Instead of plotting replacements, focus on supporting growth - and remember that even the best transitions happen through relationships, not force.</p><p>*Email us your questions or topics for Kelli & Nolan: [email protected]</p><p>For coaching and advising inquire at <a target="_blank" href="https://kellidragovich.com/">https://kellidragovich.com/</a></p><p>HR Heretics is a podcast from Turpentine.</p><p>—</p><p>📰 Be notified early when Turpentine's drops new publication: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.turpentine.co/exclusiveaccess">https://www.turpentine.co/exclusiveaccess</a></p><p>Support HR Heretics Sponsor:</p><p><strong>Metaview</strong> is the AI assistant for interviewing. Metaview completely removes the need for recruiters and hiring managers to take notes during interviews—because their AI is designed to take world-class interview notes for you. Team builders at companies like Brex, Hellofresh, and Quora say Metaview has changed the game—see the magic for yourself: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.metaview.ai/heretics">https://www.metaview.ai/heretics</a></p><p>KEEP UP WITH NOLAN, + KELLI ON LINKEDIN</p><p>Nolan: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/</a></p><p>Kelli: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/</a></p><p>—</p><p>TIMESTAMPS:</p><p>(00:00) Intro</p><p>(01:52) Avoid Premature Judgments</p><p>(04:43) Nuance and Relationship Building</p><p>(07:43) Sponsor Message: Metaview</p><p>(08:55) Further Discussion: Investing in Existing Leadership</p><p>(11:25) Additional Insights: Truth and Trust</p><p>(13:02) The Risk of Premature Action</p><p>(14:23) Summary and Emotional Dynamics</p><p>(14:46) Board Involvement and Conclusion</p><p>(15:37) Wrap</p><p></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://hrheretics.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1">hrheretics.substack.com</a>