<description>&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Kelli Dragovich and Nolan Church are joined by Lucy Adams, founder of Disruptive HR. Adams critiques traditional HR's rigid policies, advocating instead for judgment-based approaches that treat employees as grown-ups. The conversation explores challenges facing HR business partners, the evolution of DEI initiatives, and how organizations can create environments where people thrive through high-trust cultures, rather than compliance-driven systems.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;*Email us your questions or topics for Kelli &amp; Nolan: hrheretics@turpentine.co&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;For coaching and advising inquire at &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://kellidragovich.com/"&gt;https://kellidragovich.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;HR Heretics is a podcast from &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.turpentine.co/"&gt;Turpentine.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Support HR Heretics Sponsors:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Thatch&lt;/strong&gt; makes it easy to give your team great healthcare. Save ~$1620 per employee yearly while giving them customizable plans. Visit &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://thatch.ai/HR"&gt;https://thatch.AI/HR&lt;/a&gt; for a demo and &lt;strong&gt;receive a $100 gift card.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Planful&lt;/strong&gt; empowers teams just like yours to unlock the secrets of successful workforce planning. Use data-driven insights to develop accurate forecasts, close hiring gaps, and adjust talent acquisition plans collaboratively based on costs today and into the future. ✍️ Go to &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://planful.com/heretics"&gt;https://planful.com/heretics&lt;/a&gt; to see how you can transform your HR strategy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Metaview&lt;/strong&gt; is the AI assistant for interviewing. Metaview completely removes the need for recruiters and hiring managers to take notes during interviews—because their AI is designed to take world-class interview notes for you. Team builders at companies like Brex, Hellofresh, and Quora say Metaview has changed the game—see the magic for yourself: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.metaview.ai/heretics"&gt;https://www.metaview.ai/heretics&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;KEEP UP WITH LUCY, NOLAN + KELLI ON LINKEDIN&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Lucy: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucykadams/"&gt;https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucykadams/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nolan: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/"&gt;https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Kelli: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/"&gt;https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;—&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;LINKS:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Disruptive HR: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://disruptivehr.com/"&gt;https://disruptivehr.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Lucy’s article &lt;strong&gt;“HR Business Partner: The toughest role in HR?”:&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://disruptivehr.com/hr-business-partner-the-toughest-role-in-hr/"&gt;https://disruptivehr.com/hr-business-partner-the-toughest-role-in-hr/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;—&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;TIMESTAMPS:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(00:00) Intro&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(01:17) Lucy's Background and BBC Experience&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(03:08) Personal Connection and BBC Stories&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(04:25) Origins of Disruptive HR&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(07:00) Evolution of HR and Post-COVID Workplace Changes&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(11:39) Trust and Autonomy in Workplace Decisions&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(16:56) Trust as Foundation for Business Success&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(17:32) Sponsors: Thatch | Planful&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(20:27) Progressive HR Policies and Examples&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(23:53) HR Business Partner Role Challenges&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(25:13) Sponsor: Metaview&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(27:55) Messy Reality of Great HR Work&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(31:00) HR's Focus on Process vs. Real Impact&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(33:26) Current HR Trends and Community Concerns&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(35:56) DEI Evolution and Conversation Approaches&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(45:53) Wrap&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit &lt;a href="https://hrheretics.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&amp;#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1"&gt;hrheretics.substack.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>

“HR Heretics” | How CPOs, CHROs, Founders, and Boards Build High Performing Companies

HR Heretics

Rethinking the HRBP Role with Lucy Adams, Disruptive HR

APR 3, 202546 MIN
“HR Heretics” | How CPOs, CHROs, Founders, and Boards Build High Performing Companies

Rethinking the HRBP Role with Lucy Adams, Disruptive HR

APR 3, 202546 MIN

Description

<p>In this episode, Kelli Dragovich and Nolan Church are joined by Lucy Adams, founder of Disruptive HR. Adams critiques traditional HR's rigid policies, advocating instead for judgment-based approaches that treat employees as grown-ups. The conversation explores challenges facing HR business partners, the evolution of DEI initiatives, and how organizations can create environments where people thrive through high-trust cultures, rather than compliance-driven systems.</p><p></p><p>*Email us your questions or topics for Kelli & Nolan: [email protected]</p><p>For coaching and advising inquire at <a target="_blank" href="https://kellidragovich.com/">https://kellidragovich.com/</a></p><p>HR Heretics is a podcast from <a target="_blank" href="https://www.turpentine.co/">Turpentine.</a></p><p>Support HR Heretics Sponsors:</p><p><strong>Thatch</strong> makes it easy to give your team great healthcare. Save ~$1620 per employee yearly while giving them customizable plans. Visit <a target="_blank" href="https://thatch.ai/HR">https://thatch.AI/HR</a> for a demo and <strong>receive a $100 gift card.</strong></p><p><strong>Planful</strong> empowers teams just like yours to unlock the secrets of successful workforce planning. Use data-driven insights to develop accurate forecasts, close hiring gaps, and adjust talent acquisition plans collaboratively based on costs today and into the future. ✍️ Go to <a target="_blank" href="https://planful.com/heretics">https://planful.com/heretics</a> to see how you can transform your HR strategy.</p><p><strong>Metaview</strong> is the AI assistant for interviewing. Metaview completely removes the need for recruiters and hiring managers to take notes during interviews—because their AI is designed to take world-class interview notes for you. Team builders at companies like Brex, Hellofresh, and Quora say Metaview has changed the game—see the magic for yourself: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.metaview.ai/heretics">https://www.metaview.ai/heretics</a></p><p>KEEP UP WITH LUCY, NOLAN + KELLI ON LINKEDIN</p><p>Lucy: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucykadams/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucykadams/</a></p><p>Nolan: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/</a></p><p>Kelli: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/</a></p><p>—</p><p>LINKS:</p><p>Disruptive HR: <a target="_blank" href="https://disruptivehr.com/">https://disruptivehr.com/</a></p><p>Lucy’s article <strong>“HR Business Partner: The toughest role in HR?”:</strong> <a target="_blank" href="https://disruptivehr.com/hr-business-partner-the-toughest-role-in-hr/">https://disruptivehr.com/hr-business-partner-the-toughest-role-in-hr/</a></p><p></p><p>—</p><p>TIMESTAMPS:</p><p>(00:00) Intro</p><p>(01:17) Lucy's Background and BBC Experience</p><p>(03:08) Personal Connection and BBC Stories</p><p>(04:25) Origins of Disruptive HR</p><p>(07:00) Evolution of HR and Post-COVID Workplace Changes</p><p>(11:39) Trust and Autonomy in Workplace Decisions</p><p>(16:56) Trust as Foundation for Business Success</p><p>(17:32) Sponsors: Thatch | Planful</p><p>(20:27) Progressive HR Policies and Examples</p><p>(23:53) HR Business Partner Role Challenges</p><p>(25:13) Sponsor: Metaview</p><p>(27:55) Messy Reality of Great HR Work</p><p>(31:00) HR's Focus on Process vs. Real Impact</p><p>(33:26) Current HR Trends and Community Concerns</p><p>(35:56) DEI Evolution and Conversation Approaches</p><p>(45:53) Wrap</p><p></p><p></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://hrheretics.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1">hrheretics.substack.com</a>