Lecrae sits down with Michael Miller — co-host of Remnant Radio, church planter, and one of the most scripturally grounded voices in the deliverance space — to talk about what the Bible actually says about demons, healing, spiritual authority, and why the charismatic church keeps producing charlatans. No easy answers. No hype. Just a long, honest look at the stuff most pastors won't touch. They get into: Michael's journey from a broken home with a Jewish mother and Mormon father to being discipled by Jack Deere. Why the cessationist argument doesn't hold up scripturally. What "demonization" actually means in Greek — and why "possession" is the wrong word. Whether Christians can have demons (spoiler: the early church didn't debate it). The Scottish border clan curse from 1525 that's still showing up in prayer sessions. How to tell a false prophet from a real one. Why prophecy is supposed to be local — and why the YouTube prophets keep getting it wrong. And Lecrae shares his own story: the name he kept praying over for weeks, the girl who couldn't walk, and what happened when he finally said it out loud. 📱Follow our new instagram! - https://www.instagram.com/deependlecr... 📱Connect with Lecrae - https://linktr.ee/Lecrae 📮 Join the conversation… Exclusive previews, discounts, bonus content, and more: https://deependwithlecrae.com/ Stream the Album: https://music.apple.com/us/album/reconstruction/1828052699 👕 Shop Lecrae Merch: https://lecrae.store/ 0:00 The First Demon He Ever Encountered 1:07 Introducing Michael Miller 4:42 A Jewish Mother, a Mormon Father, and a Hidden Bible 7:00 Why He Couldn't Handle the Pentecostal Packaging 8:25 Praying to Be Discipled by Jack Deere (And It Worked) 9:17 [Ad: Talkiatry] 11:30 Lecrae's Background: The Spooky Stuff Was Off Limits 13:56 Why Lecrae Started Digging Into the Supernatural 15:26 How Michael Got Grounded in Scripture on Spiritual Things 18:18 John Wimber Prayed for the Sick for Three Years With Nothing 20:03 The First Time Michael Actually Saw Something 23:10 The Night Before: He Was Frustrated With God 25:17 Who Believes in This and Who Doesn't 27:45 So When It Comes to Demons... 28:32 The Full Story: The Demon in South Africa 33:25 Why Did It Listen to You and Not Her? 38:07 Christian Authority Over Demons: It's Position, Not Gift 40:46 Can Christians Have Demons? 44:29 The Greek Word "Demonize" and Why It Changes Everything 46:56 What Tertullian Said (The Guy Who Invented the Word "Trinity") 49:25 The Scottish Border Clan Curse From 1525 54:09 What Makes a Curse Effective? 59:16 Why Michael Miller Is Not Afraid of Demons 1:01:48 The Woman in Austria: Endometriosis and What Happened Next 1:03:08 What Even Is a Demon? Nephilim, Fallen Angels, and Where Things Get Weird 1:07:44 Lecrae Breaks Down His Charismatic Journey 1:09:13 How Do You Tell a False Prophet From a Real One? 1:11:22 The YouTube Prophets Are Getting It Wrong 1:16:13 Can the Charismatic Church Self-Correct? 1:18:38 What Do You Do If You Know the Gifts Are Real But Keep Seeing Abuse? 1:20:39 Make Prophecy Local Again: The Story of Sally 1:23:36 Lecrae's Own Story: The Name He Kept Hearing 1:28:32 Specific Prayers, Legal Rights, and When You Have to Name the Thing 1:33:24 The Woman in Denmark Who Was Living in Sin (And Didn't Know It) 1:37:18 Can Regular Friends Pray for Your Deliverance? 1:38:27 Where to Find Michael Miller