Howie Chan interviews buyer psychology expert and “customer whisperer” Katelyn Bourgoin to unpack the hidden forces behind attention, influence, and why some people become impossible to ignore while others stay invisible. In this episode, Katelyn shares the painful story of shutting down her venture-backed startup, the lessons she learned from studying behavioral economics, and how understanding buyer psychology completely changed the trajectory of her career. They dive deep into the psychology of attention, why “jobs to be done” changed modern marketing, how envy secretly drives human behavior, and the difference between getting attention and earning true influence. You’ll also learn practical strategies for becoming “unignorable” in today’s AI-driven world, including how to build authority, borrow trust, create memorable positioning, and use storytelling ethically to influence people. Whether you’re an entrepreneur, creator, marketer, or leader trying to stand out in a noisy world, this conversation will change how you think about persuasion, branding, and human behavior. Episode Breakdown: 00:00:00 Why Katelyn Bourgoin Shut Down Her Startup 00:05:19 Rebuilding from Zero 00:12:09 The Customer Insight Mistake Founders Keep Making 00:16:38 How a Newsletter Accidentally Became a Business 00:21:45 “Jobs To Be Done” Explained Simply 00:27:11 The “Pratfall Effect” & Why Flaws Build Trust 00:29:19 How to Become Unignorable in the Age of AI 00:36:25 How to Borrow Trust and Authority Strategically 00:39:25 Sharing Your Wins Builds Influence 00:41:22 Envy, Mimetic Desire & Hidden Motivations 00:47:15 The Science of Attention and Persuasion 00:52:11 Fascination, Contrarian Ideas & Standing Out 01:02:33 Wallet Opening Words 01:06:31 Delivering on Your Promises to Build Influence Want to make influencing human behavior your company's superpower? Connect with me at howiechan.com/speaking and let's talk! The Behavioring Blueprint: A FREE, 7-day email course breaking down all the levers to influence human behavior to get people from a current behavior to a desired behavior. → http://howiechan.com/behavioring From Our Guest: Website (https://learnwhywebuy.com/) LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/katebour/) Newsletter (https://learnwhywebuy.com/) Read Katelyn’s blog about killing her startup (https://medium.com/@katelynbourgoin/i-killed-my-startup-and-then-some-crazy-shit-happened-6dfefa184652) Participate in Katelyn's Pre-selling with Pre-suasion email challenge (https://customercamp.co/pwp/) Get the book, Wallet-Opening Words (https://www.walletopeningwords.com/) — Produced by Ideablossoms (https://ideablossoms.com/)

Influence Anyone

Howie Chan

Buyer Psychology Expert Explains How To Become Unignorable in Today’s AI-Driven World

JUN 2, 202671 MIN
Influence Anyone

Buyer Psychology Expert Explains How To Become Unignorable in Today’s AI-Driven World

JUN 2, 202671 MIN

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Howie Chan interviews buyer psychology expert and “customer whisperer” Katelyn Bourgoin to unpack the hidden forces behind attention, influence, and why some people become impossible to ignore while others stay invisible.In this episode, Katelyn shares the painful story of shutting down her venture-backed startup, the lessons she learned from studying behavioral economics, and how understanding buyer psychology completely changed the trajectory of her career. They dive deep into the psychology of attention, why “jobs to be done” changed modern marketing, how envy secretly drives human behavior, and the difference between getting attention and earning true influence.You’ll also learn practical strategies for becoming “unignorable” in today’s AI-driven world, including how to build authority, borrow trust, create memorable positioning, and use storytelling ethically to influence people.Whether you’re an entrepreneur, creator, marketer, or leader trying to stand out in a noisy world, this conversation will change how you think about persuasion, branding, and human behavior.Episode Breakdown:00:00:00 Why Katelyn Bourgoin Shut Down Her Startup00:05:19 Rebuilding from Zero00:12:09 The Customer Insight Mistake Founders Keep Making00:16:38 How a Newsletter Accidentally Became a Business00:21:45 “Jobs To Be Done” Explained Simply00:27:11 The “Pratfall Effect” & Why Flaws Build Trust00:29:19 How to Become Unignorable in the Age of AI00:36:25 How to Borrow Trust and Authority Strategically00:39:25 Sharing Your Wins Builds Influence00:41:22 Envy, Mimetic Desire & Hidden Motivations00:47:15 The Science of Attention and Persuasion00:52:11 Fascination, Contrarian Ideas & Standing Out01:02:33 Wallet Opening Words01:06:31 Delivering on Your Promises to Build InfluenceWant to make influencing human behavior your company's superpower? Connect with me at howiechan.com/speaking and let's talk!The Behavioring Blueprint:A FREE, 7-day email course breaking down all the levers to influence human behavior to get people from a current behavior to a desired behavior.→ http://howiechan.com/behavioringFrom Our Guest:Website (https://learnwhywebuy.com/)LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/katebour/)Newsletter (https://learnwhywebuy.com/)Read Katelyn’s blog about killing her startup (https://medium.com/@katelynbourgoin/i-killed-my-startup-and-then-some-crazy-shit-happened-6dfefa184652)Participate in Katelyn's Pre-selling with Pre-suasion email challenge (https://customercamp.co/pwp/)Get the book, Wallet-Opening Words (https://www.walletopeningwords.com/)—Produced by Ideablossoms (https://ideablossoms.com/)