<p>Creams Cafe COO Oliver Rodbard on scaling a franchise system, vertical integration as franchisee protection, and what it takes to make every visit count in a discretionary category.</p> <p>Oliver Rodbard, COO of Creams Cafe, sits down with Conor to walk through the operational reality of running a 98%-franchised, ~100-site business through UK family restaurant visits halving, aggregator commissions of 20 to 30%, and a tech transformation built to give margin back to franchisees, not extract it from them. 17 years across YUM! Brands, Pizza Hut Europe and Canada, Freshii, and Soul Foods Group give him a perspective rooted in both sides of the franchise table. He explains why vertical integration (Creams' own gelato and dry-mix plants) has held Creams inflation to ~19% while UK food service has run ~59.5%, why "trust governs the relationship, not the contract", and why every change Creams makes is consumer-tested then operationally tested before it lands. Plus a frank view on aggregators, the new Creams Direct delivery platform that's already done close to £1m in 10 weeks, and the philosophy that anchors all of it: when the category is discretionary and visits are down, every experience has to be worth it.</p> <p><b>KEY TAKEAWAYS</b></p> <ul><li>Trust, not the contract, governs the franchise relationship. The cleanest way to lose a franchisee is to forget that</li><li>Vertical integration done right is a margin gift to franchisees, not an extraction tool. Creams held inflation to ~19% while UK food service ran ~59.5%</li><li>The guest experience will never be better than the team-member experience. Build the back of house and the front follows</li><li>Capability beats control. Every franchise system thinks tighter rules = better outcomes; the durable answer is better-trained operators with more flexibility</li></ul> <p><b>CHAPTERS</b></p> <p>0:00 Intro: the franchising model and rebuilding trust</p> <p>2:13 Welcome, Oliver</p> <p>2:30 17 years across YUM!, Freshii, Soul Foods to Creams</p> <p>5:21 The service model transformation: theatre over function</p> <p>7:00 "Maniacal" testing: consumer panels, then operational reality</p> <p>8:30 Brand purpose: "bringing people together" as operational framework</p> <p>10:47 Nobody needs a dessert: the experience-led shift</p> <p>12:30 How younger customers and hyperlocal community have changed engagement</p> <p>14:30 Franchise mix: 60 franchisees across nearly 100 cafes</p> <p>16:08 Onboarding: capability, cultural fit, and the "divorce is painful" filter</p> <p>17:50 Multi-site progression: nobody's born with the skill set</p> <p>21:23 When franchisees go quiet: re-reading "no news is good news"</p> <p>23:40 Vertical integration: gelato in East London, mix in Northamptonshire</p> <p>24:50 The numbers: 19% Creams inflation vs ~59.5% UK food service</p> <p>29:22 Creams 2.0: tech, growth, kiosks for travel hubs</p> <p>31:55 Site selection at scale</p> <p>33:55 The tech stack: new EPOS, new app, Creams Direct</p> <p>37:21 The Quick Turn: rapid-fire questions</p> <p>42:25 Shift Notes: Conor's closing reflections</p> <p><b>USEFUL LINKS &amp; RESOURCES</b></p> <ul><li>Oliver Rodbard on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oliverrodbard/</li><li>Creams Cafe:<a href="https://www.creamscafe.com/" target="_blank"> https://www.creamscafe.com/</a> </li><li>Creams Direct: https://www.creamscafe.com/order-online/</li></ul> <p><b>CONNECT WITH THE SHOW</b></p> <ul><li>All What's Cooking episodes:<a href="https://www.nory.ai/podcasts" target="_blank"> https://www.nory.ai/podcasts</a></li><li>Nory:<a href="https://www.nory.ai/" target="_blank"> https://www.nory.ai/</a></li><li>Nory blog:<a href="https://www.nory.ai/blog" target="_blank"> https://www.nory.ai/blog</a></li><li>Nory on LinkedIn:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/asknory/" target="_blank"> https://www.linkedin.com/company/asknory/</a></li><li>Conor Sheridan on LinkedIn:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sheridanconor/" target="_blank"> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sheridanconor/</a></li></ul>