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The Fifth Column

Kmele Foster, Michael Moynihan, and Matt Welch

Ben Rhodes and the Evil Empire State of Mind (#559)

MAY 27, 2026112 MIN
The Fifth Column

Ben Rhodes and the Evil Empire State of Mind (#559)

MAY 27, 2026112 MIN

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This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.wethefifth.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.wethefifth.com/subscribe</a><br/><br/><p>Check out Ben Rhodes new book: <em>All We Say: The Battle for American Identity: A History in 15 Speeches</em></p><p>-Ben Rhodes, wounded ’90s Knicks fan</p><p>-Are we winning in Iran yet?</p><p>-what should the President do with Iran right now?</p><p>-Sanctions suck, mostly</p><p>-Cuba and the Obama opening</p><p>-Libya and the regime-change trap</p><p>-Kosovo worked-ish</p><p>-Responsibility to protect yourself from over-learning lessons</p><p>-Rhodes wants institutions, not impulse wars</p><p>-Is Ben Rhodes Tucker-adjacent?</p><p>-Soft power, hard questions</p><p>-Navalny didn’t want America’s money</p><p>-When Reagan said “Evil Empire”</p><p>-Reagan also change his mind</p><p>-Moynihan accuses Rhodes of America pessimism</p><p>-Ben says it’s because he loves America</p><p>-Private equity killed the vibes</p><p>-Nostalgia-nomics</p><p>-The left-populist temptation</p><p>-JD Vance talks pretty</p><p>-National identity without a monoculture</p><p>-Ben Franklin and the virtue of doubt</p><p>-Experts are annoying but sometimes useful</p><p>Read <em>All We Say: The Battle for American Identity: A History in 15 Speeches</em></p><p>(<a target="_blank" href="https://bookshop.org/a/120616/9780593595121">Bookshop</a> | <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/All-We-Say-American-Identity/dp/0593595122/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1Z51AWVKTG9EG&#38;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.kOje6NAOgIqKEGvzA2CNNKzlFjRBiGF4_r52gSkwQkrcEonNOC2MGciOCXB0CovZAGtGhZPJeTjNyjUEKMGeAAUCUw9cw64HU_Cd6z9Q25BWasMiAEdTciE9I25AbtDJ_v5gC18hRsx2QNEvQ8EYruMeDmTmt-d0PMxMnA6L15DhzPFw0gDqsngv-dudiAwTS_4WNEyplQuNEJtQSCPN2l7wYaAACjeu3XTYDqDt35U.A15cFdvHbeH_au6MCAXIr1-pZb9uIRrS7IMU71hrz_s&#38;dib_tag=se&#38;keywords=ben+rhodes&#38;qid=1779834570&#38;sprefix=ben+rhodes%2Caps%2C210&#38;sr=8-1">Amazon</a>)</p><p><strong>Prefer to watch & chat live with other members of the Fifdom? This episode premieres over on our YouTube channel at 12PM EST.</strong></p><p>After 10 years, we’ve finally found a sponsor we actually like. <strong>Ground News</strong> pulls coverage of the same story into one place so you can compare headlines across sources and see how framing changes depending on the outlet.</p><p>Subscribe for 40% off our Vantage plan using our unique link <a target="_blank" href="https://groundnews.com/fifth">https://groundnews.com/fifth</a></p>