<description>&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Pre-show: Casey dropped his 17 Pro&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;🗣️ The &lt;a href="https://atp.fm/store"&gt;ATP Holiday Store&lt;/a&gt; is back! Order before 9 November! 🗣️

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI/TIA-568#T568A_and_T568B_termination"&gt;T568A &amp;amp; T568B&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://mastodon.social/@nottadamb/114516122207900986"&gt;Idea courtesy Adam Brandon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k8craCGpgs"&gt;Don’t Stop Believin’…&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;An aside about podcast chapters and &lt;a href="https://www.macrumors.com/2025/11/04/ios-26-2-podcasts-app-update/?ref=podcastvideos.com"&gt;Apple&amp;#8217;s recent news&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Follow-up:

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The current MacBook Pro design is &lt;a href="https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/10/apple-unveils-game-changing-macbook-pro/"&gt;from the M1&lt;/a&gt; (via &lt;a href="https://mastodon.social/@benmattison/115473940783618636"&gt;Ben Mattison&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;More dashed Mac Pro dreams

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Apple&amp;#8217;s internal chip codename nomenclature&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Variants

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;code&gt;P&lt;/code&gt; = A_&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;code&gt;G&lt;/code&gt; = A_X / A_Z / M_&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;code&gt;S&lt;/code&gt; = M_ Pro&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;code&gt;C&lt;/code&gt; = M_ Max&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;code&gt;D&lt;/code&gt; = M_ Ultra&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;code&gt;X&lt;/code&gt; = M_ Pro/Max/Ultra&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Examples

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;code&gt;A11&lt;/code&gt; = &lt;code&gt;H10P&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;code&gt;A12X&lt;/code&gt; = &lt;code&gt;H11G&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;code&gt;A14&lt;/code&gt; = &lt;code&gt;H13P&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;code&gt;M1&lt;/code&gt; = &lt;code&gt;H13G&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;code&gt;M2 Pro&lt;/code&gt; = &lt;code&gt;H14S&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;GPUs use &lt;code&gt;G&lt;/code&gt; instead of &lt;code&gt;H&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;More island/chip names from 26.1 RC:

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;code&gt;Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/Kernel.framework/Versions/A/Headers/arm/cpuid.h&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;code&gt;Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX.sdk/usr/include/mach/machine.h&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://theapplewiki.com/wiki/Codenames"&gt;Apple codenames&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://mastodon.social/@siracusa/115491845898322390"&gt;John&amp;#8217;s tale of Xcode 26.1 woe&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;John&amp;#8217;s &lt;a href="https://furbo.org/2025/10/06/tahoe-electron-detector/"&gt;un-fixed Electron apps&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.macrumors.com/2025/11/04/more-spotlight-clipboard-settings-macos-26-1/"&gt;More clipboard history options in macOS 26.1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;M5 MacBook Pro speed tests

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clwet4ckP2A"&gt;MaxTech&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Casey has tried the new Developer Strap

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://cdn.atp.fm/images/20251105-visionos-wonky-balance.jpeg"&gt;&lt;code&gt;Accessibility&lt;/code&gt; → &lt;code&gt;Audio &amp;amp; Visual&lt;/code&gt; → &lt;code&gt;Balance&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;An aside about nanotexture displays&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CV4JKV8D?tag=marcoorg-20"&gt;Marco&amp;#8217;s current iPad paper-texture overlay&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Casey upgraded to Tahoe

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://cdn.atp.fm/images/20251105-wonky-sidebar-icon.png"&gt;Funky sidebar icon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/overcast/"&gt;&lt;code&gt;/r/overcast&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.relay.fm/radar/330"&gt;Under the Radar #330: Engaging with Reddit&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1onboxu/mod_meltdown_in_rprocreate_over_a_painting_of/"&gt;Meltdown in the ProCreate subreddit over a painting of Master Chief&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Post-show: Marco plays with 3D printing

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.tinkercad.com"&gt;Tinkercad&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://bambulab.com"&gt;Bambu&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXKUNyXv-cI&amp;amp;t=646s"&gt;Eric Welander&amp;#8217;s video&lt;/a&gt; about &lt;a href="https://gridfinity.xyz/"&gt;Gridfinity&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://toybox.com/"&gt;Toybox&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://atp.fm/join"&gt;Members-only&lt;/a&gt; ATP Overtime: &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3c4mQty_so"&gt;Joanna Stern tries Neo, the household &amp;#8220;robot&amp;#8221;&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/i-tried-the-robot-thats-coming-to-live-with-you-its-still-part-human-68515d44"&gt;WSJ Article&lt;/a&gt; (or &lt;a href="https://apple.news/AMXA3-VUfSga7k_Lx-2RWRg"&gt;On Apple News+&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWOP"&gt;QWOP&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sponsored by:&lt;/p&gt;

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Accidental Tech Podcast

Marco Arment, Casey Liss, John Siracusa

664: Humanity Gets in the Way

NOV 6, 2025122 MIN
Accidental Tech Podcast

664: Humanity Gets in the Way

NOV 6, 2025122 MIN

Description

<ul> <li>Pre-show: Casey dropped his 17 Pro</li> <li>🗣️ The <a href="https://atp.fm/store">ATP Holiday Store</a> is back! Order before 9 November! 🗣️ <ul> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI/TIA-568#T568A_and_T568B_termination">T568A &amp; T568B</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://mastodon.social/@nottadamb/114516122207900986">Idea courtesy Adam Brandon</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k8craCGpgs">Don’t Stop Believin’…</a></li> </ul></li> <li><em>An aside about podcast chapters and <a href="https://www.macrumors.com/2025/11/04/ios-26-2-podcasts-app-update/?ref=podcastvideos.com">Apple&#8217;s recent news</a></em></li> <li>Follow-up: <ul> <li>The current MacBook Pro design is <a href="https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/10/apple-unveils-game-changing-macbook-pro/">from the M1</a> (via <a href="https://mastodon.social/@benmattison/115473940783618636">Ben Mattison</a>)</li> <li>More dashed Mac Pro dreams <ul> <li>Apple&#8217;s internal chip codename nomenclature</li> <li>Variants <ul> <li><code>P</code> = A_</li> <li><code>G</code> = A_X / A_Z / M_</li> <li><code>S</code> = M_ Pro</li> <li><code>C</code> = M_ Max</li> <li><code>D</code> = M_ Ultra</li> <li><code>X</code> = M_ Pro/Max/Ultra</li> </ul></li> <li>Examples <ul> <li><code>A11</code> = <code>H10P</code></li> <li><code>A12X</code> = <code>H11G</code></li> <li><code>A14</code> = <code>H13P</code></li> <li><code>M1</code> = <code>H13G</code></li> <li><code>M2 Pro</code> = <code>H14S</code></li> </ul></li> <li>GPUs use <code>G</code> instead of <code>H</code></li> <li>More island/chip names from 26.1 RC: <ul> <li><code>Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/Kernel.framework/Versions/A/Headers/arm/cpuid.h</code></li> <li><code>Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX.sdk/usr/include/mach/machine.h</code></li> <li><a href="https://theapplewiki.com/wiki/Codenames">Apple codenames</a></li> </ul></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://mastodon.social/@siracusa/115491845898322390">John&#8217;s tale of Xcode 26.1 woe</a></li> <li>John&#8217;s <a href="https://furbo.org/2025/10/06/tahoe-electron-detector/">un-fixed Electron apps</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.macrumors.com/2025/11/04/more-spotlight-clipboard-settings-macos-26-1/">More clipboard history options in macOS 26.1</a></li> <li>M5 MacBook Pro speed tests <ul> <li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clwet4ckP2A">MaxTech</a></li> </ul></li> </ul></li> <li>Casey has tried the new Developer Strap <ul> <li><a href="https://cdn.atp.fm/images/20251105-visionos-wonky-balance.jpeg"><code>Accessibility</code> → <code>Audio &amp; Visual</code> → <code>Balance</code></a></li> </ul></li> <li><em>An aside about nanotexture displays</em> <ul> <li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CV4JKV8D?tag=marcoorg-20">Marco&#8217;s current iPad paper-texture overlay</a></li> </ul></li> <li>Casey upgraded to Tahoe <ul> <li><a href="https://cdn.atp.fm/images/20251105-wonky-sidebar-icon.png">Funky sidebar icon</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/overcast/"><code>/r/overcast</code></a> <ul> <li><a href="https://www.relay.fm/radar/330">Under the Radar #330: Engaging with Reddit</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1onboxu/mod_meltdown_in_rprocreate_over_a_painting_of/">Meltdown in the ProCreate subreddit over a painting of Master Chief</a></li> </ul></li> <li>Post-show: Marco plays with 3D printing <ul> <li><a href="https://www.tinkercad.com">Tinkercad</a></li> <li><a href="https://bambulab.com">Bambu</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXKUNyXv-cI&amp;t=646s">Eric Welander&#8217;s video</a> about <a href="https://gridfinity.xyz/">Gridfinity</a></li> <li><a href="https://toybox.com/">Toybox</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://atp.fm/join">Members-only</a> ATP Overtime: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3c4mQty_so">Joanna Stern tries Neo, the household &#8220;robot&#8221;</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/i-tried-the-robot-thats-coming-to-live-with-you-its-still-part-human-68515d44">WSJ Article</a> (or <a href="https://apple.news/AMXA3-VUfSga7k_Lx-2RWRg">On Apple News+</a>)</li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWOP">QWOP</a></li> </ul></li> </ul> <p>Sponsored by:</p> <ul> <li><a href="https://joindeleteme.com/ATP">DeleteMe</a>: Making it quick, easy and safe to remove your personal data online.</li> <li><a href="https://squarespace.com/atp">Squarespace</a>: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code <strong>atp</strong>.</li> <li><a href="https://zapier.com/atp">Zapier</a>: Put AI to work across your company — for real.</li> </ul> <p><a href="https://atp.fm/join">Become a member</a> for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!</p>