<description>&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Pre-show: Marco bought a new toy

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://atp.fm/atp-diamond-dogs-talk-me-out-of-it-ii"&gt;ATP Diamond Dogs: Talk Me Out of It II&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://indieweb.social/@bryan/115607426546184618"&gt;Bryan&amp;#8217;s toot&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://pen.tips"&gt;pen.tips&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://paperlike.com/products/paperlike-for-ipad"&gt;Paperlike 3&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://paperlike.com/products/pencil-tips"&gt;Paperlike Pencil Tips&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Follow-up:

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;macOS Tahoe 26.2 β3 seems to fix Electon slowdown (per &lt;a href="https://avarayr.github.io/shamelectron/"&gt;shamelectron&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-11-23/apple-ios-27-snow-leopard-like-quality-focus-ai-features-tim-cook-retirement-mibq7jv8"&gt;Gurman says &amp;#8220;not so fast, my friend&amp;#8221;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Gaming in ARM

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Anti-cheat complications (via &lt;a href="https://mastodon.au/@tquin/115587298588685555"&gt;Tyler&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Windows 11 on ARM (via David Gaw)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/827607/openai-hardware-prototype-chatgpt-jony-ive-sam-altman"&gt;OpenAI Egg update&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkCe6gpNutU"&gt;Interview video&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://mastodon.social/@fticus/115605925058051648"&gt;Fred T&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/11/testing-shows-apple-n1-wi-fi-chip-improves-on-older-broadcom-chips-in-every-way/"&gt;Apple N1 &gt; Broadcom&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;An iPhone camera cluster theory&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://9to5mac.com/2025/10/01/the-british-government-is-still-insisting-apple-has-to-create-a-backdoor-into-icloud/"&gt;The UK is still trying to &lt;span style="text-decoration: line-through"&gt;make fetch happen&lt;/span&gt; get themselves a back door&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.ft.com/content/d101fd62-14f9-4f51-beff-ea41e8794265"&gt;Financial Times&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-11-09/apple-iphone-satellite-plans-image-texting-third-party-apps-low-cost-macbook-mhrq10p2"&gt;Apple Fitness+ is &amp;#8220;Under Review&amp;#8221;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLS5Cg_yNdM"&gt;Fast charging &amp;amp; battery health&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.macrumors.com/2025/11/07/iphone-charging-battery-experiment/"&gt;Juli Clover summary @ MacRumors&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Ask ATP:

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Now that Marco owns a restaurant, does he tip differently? (via Max Velasco Knott)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What do we think about third-party packages? (via Eric Jacobsen)

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.swift.org/blog/swift-collections/"&gt;&lt;code&gt;swift-collections&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.swift.org/blog/swift-async-algorithms/"&gt;&lt;code&gt;swift-async-algorithms&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.cpan.org/"&gt;CPAN&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://github.com/tevelee/SwiftUI-Flow"&gt;Flow&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Is organizing &lt;code&gt;/Applications&lt;/code&gt; a poor choice? (via Nathan)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Are our kids better than we are at video games yet? (via Omri Arbiv)

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.cleverendeavourgames.com/ultimate-chicken-horse/"&gt;Ultimate Chicken Horse&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://songpop-party.com/"&gt;SongPop Party&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://store.steampowered.com/app/1229490/ULTRAKILL/"&gt;UltraKill&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html"&gt;Universal Paperclips&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://cookieclicker.com/"&gt;Cookie Clicker&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Post-show: The saga of Overcast episode images

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://coreint.org/"&gt;Core Intuition&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linode.com/products/object-storage/"&gt;Linode Object Storage&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.cloudflare.com/developer-platform/products/r2/"&gt;CloudFlare R2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://atp.fm/join"&gt;Members-only&lt;/a&gt; ATP Overtime: Should we ever be &lt;em&gt;forced&lt;/em&gt; to put away our phones? (via Philip McDermott)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sponsored by:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://zapier.com/atp"&gt;Zapier&lt;/a&gt;: Put AI to work across your company&amp;mdash;for real&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://go.pakaapparel.com/ATP"&gt;PAKA&lt;/a&gt;: Performance apparel from alpaca fiber&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://on.auraframes.com/ATP"&gt;Aura Frames&lt;/a&gt;: Frames for every memory, gifts for every occasion&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://atp.fm/join"&gt;Become a member&lt;/a&gt; for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!&lt;/p&gt;
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Accidental Tech Podcast

Marco Arment, Casey Liss, John Siracusa

667: Wisdom and Treachery

NOV 25, 2025115 MIN
Accidental Tech Podcast

667: Wisdom and Treachery

NOV 25, 2025115 MIN

Description

<ul> <li>Pre-show: Marco bought a new toy <ul> <li><a href="https://atp.fm/atp-diamond-dogs-talk-me-out-of-it-ii">ATP Diamond Dogs: Talk Me Out of It II</a></li> <li><a href="https://indieweb.social/@bryan/115607426546184618">Bryan&#8217;s toot</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://pen.tips">pen.tips</a></li> <li><a href="https://paperlike.com/products/paperlike-for-ipad">Paperlike 3</a></li> <li><a href="https://paperlike.com/products/pencil-tips">Paperlike Pencil Tips</a></li> </ul></li> </ul></li> <li>Follow-up: <ul> <li>macOS Tahoe 26.2 β3 seems to fix Electon slowdown (per <a href="https://avarayr.github.io/shamelectron/">shamelectron</a>)</li> <li><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-11-23/apple-ios-27-snow-leopard-like-quality-focus-ai-features-tim-cook-retirement-mibq7jv8">Gurman says &#8220;not so fast, my friend&#8221;</a></li> <li>Gaming in ARM <ul> <li>Anti-cheat complications (via <a href="https://mastodon.au/@tquin/115587298588685555">Tyler</a>)</li> <li>Windows 11 on ARM (via David Gaw)</li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/827607/openai-hardware-prototype-chatgpt-jony-ive-sam-altman">OpenAI Egg update</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkCe6gpNutU">Interview video</a></li> <li><a href="https://mastodon.social/@fticus/115605925058051648">Fred T</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/11/testing-shows-apple-n1-wi-fi-chip-improves-on-older-broadcom-chips-in-every-way/">Apple N1 > Broadcom</a></li> <li>An iPhone camera cluster theory</li> <li><a href="https://9to5mac.com/2025/10/01/the-british-government-is-still-insisting-apple-has-to-create-a-backdoor-into-icloud/">The UK is still trying to <span style="text-decoration: line-through">make fetch happen</span> get themselves a back door</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://www.ft.com/content/d101fd62-14f9-4f51-beff-ea41e8794265">Financial Times</a></li> </ul></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-11-09/apple-iphone-satellite-plans-image-texting-third-party-apps-low-cost-macbook-mhrq10p2">Apple Fitness+ is &#8220;Under Review&#8221;</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLS5Cg_yNdM">Fast charging &amp; battery health</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://www.macrumors.com/2025/11/07/iphone-charging-battery-experiment/">Juli Clover summary @ MacRumors</a></li> </ul></li> <li>Ask ATP: <ul> <li>Now that Marco owns a restaurant, does he tip differently? (via Max Velasco Knott)</li> <li>What do we think about third-party packages? (via Eric Jacobsen) <ul> <li><a href="https://www.swift.org/blog/swift-collections/"><code>swift-collections</code></a></li> <li><a href="https://www.swift.org/blog/swift-async-algorithms/"><code>swift-async-algorithms</code></a></li> <li><a href="https://www.cpan.org/">CPAN</a></li> <li><a href="https://github.com/tevelee/SwiftUI-Flow">Flow</a></li> </ul></li> <li>Is organizing <code>/Applications</code> a poor choice? (via Nathan)</li> <li>Are our kids better than we are at video games yet? (via Omri Arbiv) <ul> <li><a href="https://www.cleverendeavourgames.com/ultimate-chicken-horse/">Ultimate Chicken Horse</a></li> <li><a href="https://songpop-party.com/">SongPop Party</a></li> <li><a href="https://store.steampowered.com/app/1229490/ULTRAKILL/">UltraKill</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html">Universal Paperclips</a></li> <li><a href="https://cookieclicker.com/">Cookie Clicker</a></li> </ul></li> </ul></li> <li>Post-show: The saga of Overcast episode images <ul> <li><a href="https://coreint.org/">Core Intuition</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.linode.com/products/object-storage/">Linode Object Storage</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.cloudflare.com/developer-platform/products/r2/">CloudFlare R2</a></li> </ul></li> <li><a href="https://atp.fm/join">Members-only</a> ATP Overtime: Should we ever be <em>forced</em> to put away our phones? (via Philip McDermott)</li> </ul> <p>Sponsored by:</p> <ul> <li><a href="https://zapier.com/atp">Zapier</a>: Put AI to work across your company&mdash;for real</li> <li><a href="https://go.pakaapparel.com/ATP">PAKA</a>: Performance apparel from alpaca fiber</li> <li><a href="https://on.auraframes.com/ATP">Aura Frames</a>: Frames for every memory, gifts for every occasion</li> </ul> <p><a href="https://atp.fm/join">Become a member</a> for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!</p>