<p>Tilly Devine (1900-1970) was a founding mother of Sydney's underbelly, and, as NSW police commissioner Norman Allan simply said: "She was a villain, but who am I to judge her?"</p><p>Luckily Leigh and Alecia love to judge.</p><p>Beyond the rivals, razor blades and racketeering, they ask: Was Tilly the original girl (mob) boss? Why did she shoot her fiancé a few months before their wedding? (Yes, the marriage still went ahead.) And while we're here, what drives our national fixation with outlaws like Tilly?</p><p>Show sources:</p><p>Matilda Mary (Tilly) Devine (1900–1970), Daily Mirror Sydney, 24 November 1970, p 9 </p><p>Kay Saunders, Notorious Australian Women (ABC Books, 2013)</p><p>Nancy Cushing 'The Long History of Australian Gangs' in A History of Crime in Australia (Routledge, 2023)</p><p>Judith Allen, 'Devine, Matilda Mary (Tilly) (1900–1970)', Australian Dictionary of Biography, National Centre of Biography, Australian National University</p><p>Anna Clark, Gabrielle Kemmis and Tamson Pietsch, My Darlinghurst (NewSouth, 1st edn, 2024)</p><ul><li>Hosted by Alecia Simmonds and Leigh Boucher</li><li>Supervising Producer: Hannah Reich</li><li>Development Producer: Beverley Wang</li><li>Executive Producers: Clare Rawlinson and Eric George</li><li>Head of ABC Audio on Demand: Jessica Radburn</li><li>Theme: Martin Peralta</li><li>Artwork: Gabriel Virata-Alves</li><li>Sound engineering: Brendan O'Neill</li></ul>