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&lt;p&gt;For many performers, the voice can feel like a mystery. You practice the techniques, you know the music, but a persistent block, chronic tension, or crippling stage fright holds you back from your true potential. What if the root of that struggle isn&amp;#8217;t in your technique, but in your history?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The body keeps a score of our experiences, and for a singer, whose very instrument is their body, the &lt;a href="https://therapevo.com/podcasts/childhood-trauma-adult-life-healing/"&gt;impact of past trauma&lt;/a&gt; can be profound. Unresolved trauma can manifest as physical &amp;#8220;body armoring,&amp;#8221; a deep sense of being unsafe on stage, and a destructive inner critic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To explore this powerful connection, Therapevo’s Caleb Simonyi-Gindele sat down with our colleague &lt;a href="https://therapevo.com/our-team/ron-de-jager/"&gt;Ron de Jager&lt;/a&gt;. Ron lives at the unique intersection of world-class performance and clinical counselling. As a Doctor of Musical Arts, an accomplished vocalist, and a specialist therapist, he offers a unique and compassionate perspective on what it takes to heal the instrument and set your voice free.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;https://youtu.be/h67KrGHF7hg&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here is a polished transcript of their conversation.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;h2&gt;Why is a singer’s experience of trauma so profoundly different?&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Caleb:&lt;/b&gt; For our listeners, can you start by explaining one of the powerful statements from your research: &amp;#8220;A singer&amp;#8217;s body is his or her instrument.&amp;#8221; &lt;span class="citation-224 citation-end-224"&gt;Why does that make a singer&amp;#8217;s experience of trauma so profoundly different?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ron:&lt;/b&gt; I started as a pianist, so my instrument was here in front of me. It was me and the instrument, and the audience was there. Then all of a sudden, you take that away and it&amp;#8217;s just me. &lt;span class="citation-223 citation-end-223"&gt;That becomes a much more vulnerable situation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When you&amp;#8217;re vulnerable, more things will start to show up. We might be a little bit naive in thinking that we&amp;#8217;ve got it masked and covered very well, but sometimes the audience is pretty perceptive. &lt;span class="citation-222 citation-end-222"&gt;No matter our best job at covering it, our body will still show certain things. &lt;/span&gt;As a singing teacher, I started to become aware of those things, like, &amp;#8220;Where is that showing up, why is it showing up, and what is it indicative of?&amp;#8221; &lt;span class="citation-221 citation-end-221"&gt;It&amp;#8217;s a symptom of something rather than just being the problem.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="citation-220 citation-end-220"&gt;Just something like getting nervous—if you get a little nervous when you&amp;#8217;re speaking, the voice can start to quiver, you don&amp;#8217;t get enough breath underneath it, and all of a sudden you squeak and crack. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="citation-219 citation-end-219"&gt;That body stuff might show up more for singers than other kinds of musicians because it&amp;#8217;s just you and your voice out there.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;How can past trauma manifest in a singer’s performance?&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="citation-218"&gt;Caleb:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span class="citation-218 citation-end-218"&gt; You&amp;#8217;ve said that trauma affects the entire organism—physical, mental, social, and spiritual. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="citation-217 citation-end-217"&gt;Can you give us an example of how a past trauma, like childhood sexual abuse, might manifest in a singer&amp;#8217;s voice or performance in a way that most of us would probably not even recognize?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ron:&lt;/b&gt; For sure. Especially if it&amp;#8217;s undealt with, it can show up physically in different ways. Some things that I&amp;#8217;ve noticed with singers is locking through the lower abdominal areas, through the solar plexus, and right into the pelvis. &lt;span class="citation-216 citation-end-216"&gt;It can be in the knees and the buttocks as well.&lt;/span&gt; All those areas will just lock and get tense. &lt;span class="citation-215 citation-end-215"&gt;It can be jaw or tongue tension as well. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="citation-214 citation-end-214"&gt;You can see it sometimes if the individual is really trying to get sound out without releasing; you can see trembling in the lower abdominal area.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jaw tension is often a position of &amp;#8220;we&amp;#8217;re not going to let anybody in.&amp;#8221; In a place where you&amp;#8217;re trying to express very openly and freely, when you&amp;#8217;re not letting people in, people can see something&amp;#8217;s going on there. &lt;span class="citation-213 citation-end-213"&gt;If the tongue is really tense, it will pull the larynx high, which means you&amp;#8217;re going to have to work extra hard.&lt;/span&gt; Imagine if we&amp;#8217;ve got tension here, and here, and we&amp;#8217;re trying to make a free sound—how much that&amp;#8217;s going to hold the singer back, not just in their sound, but in their storytelling. &lt;span class="citation-212 citation-end-212"&gt;You&amp;#8217;re working against all these roadblocks.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;How can singing be both healing and re-traumatizing?&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Caleb:&lt;/b&gt; Many people see singing as a joyful and expressive act. &lt;span class="citation-211 citation-end-211"&gt;How does unresolved trauma create a paradox where the very act of singing can be both a source of potential healing and, simultaneously, a source of re-traumatization?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ron:&lt;/b&gt; Music is such an amazing healer, and we can never underestimate that. From a singer&amp;#8217;s standpoint, the fact that we have to inhale from a really deep place and then release breath—that breathing itself is cathartic. &lt;span class="citation-210 citation-end-210"&gt;But then feeling that all of a sudden we can make sounds, that we actually have a voice and that voice matters.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="citation-209 citation-end-209"&gt;Often with abuse, the voice is squelched, physically or psychologically.&lt;/span&gt; If there was ever a time when the individual felt that their voice didn&amp;#8217;t matter, all of a sudden it starts to matter. You have something worth saying. &lt;span class="citation-208 citation-end-208"&gt;And you don&amp;#8217;t have to just say it with words; you can say it with music added to it, because there&amp;#8217;s so much more behind it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At the same time, it can be retraumatizing. I never really thought about this until I was working with singers more and I would ask them to breathe low. You’d think, &amp;#8220;Why can&amp;#8217;t they let go? Just breathe.&amp;#8221; But especially if there&amp;#8217;s been childhood sexual abuse, we&amp;#8217;re asking them to release the very part of their body where they were violated. &lt;span class="citation-207 citation-end-207"&gt;There&amp;#8217;s no wonder they can&amp;#8217;t.&lt;/span&gt; So this is a much more gentle process, and you have to be patient. It&amp;#8217;s about finding that space that&amp;#8217;s safe to let go. &lt;span class="citation-206 citation-end-206"&gt;That part can be incredibly healing—letting go of the violation as well while you&amp;#8217;re breathing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;What is “body armoring” and what are the signs?&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Caleb:&lt;/b&gt; You use the term &amp;#8220;body armoring.&amp;#8221; &lt;span class="citation-205 citation-end-205"&gt;In your work with singers, what are the first things you look for that tell you that their technical struggle is possibly more rooted in trauma rather than a lack of training?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ron:&lt;/b&gt; That&amp;#8217;s a great question. &lt;span class="citation-204 citation-end-204"&gt;I think it&amp;#8217;s probably the persistence of whatever technical thing that we&amp;#8217;re trying to overcome, that there&amp;#8217;s just no release in it.&lt;/span&gt; When you listen to a singer, some things you watch for are physical things. Is there actual holding on? Is there tension? How about the release of breath? &lt;span class="citation-203 citation-end-203"&gt;Can they actually just sigh and make it sound consistent?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then the actual sound can tell you a fair amount. The rate of vibrato, which is just a natural wave if the voice is free. If that vibrato is typically really fast, we call that a tremolo. If it gets really wide, we call that a wobble. &lt;span class="citation-202 citation-end-202"&gt;That can be from a lack of proper breath movement or hypertension through here. &lt;/span&gt;The sound can tell you a lot. And lastly, how they interpret a piece. &lt;span class="citation-201 citation-end-201"&gt;Are there certain pieces that are traumatic for them that they just can&amp;#8217;t connect with?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="citation-200 citation-end-200"&gt;Maybe it&amp;#8217;s too close to home for them to connect with where they&amp;#8217;re at in their journey.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;How does attachment history make the stage feel unsafe?&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Caleb:&lt;/b&gt; Performers often seek validation from an audience. &lt;span class="citation-199 citation-end-199"&gt;How might a history of insecure attachment, which so often stems from childhood trauma, amplify that need for approval and turn the stage into a place that feels very unsafe?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="citation-198"&gt;Ron:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span class="citation-198 citation-end-198"&gt; If there&amp;#8217;s been a time when an &lt;a href="https://therapevo.com/podcasts/the-5-pillars-of-attachment/"&gt;attachment has been broken&lt;/a&gt;, especially between primary caregivers like a father or mother, it definitely transfers over into, &amp;#8220;We want to be accepted and we want to be good enough.&amp;#8221; &lt;/span&gt;Especially if a parent expected more of a child, and what they did was never good enough. &lt;span class="citation-197 citation-end-197"&gt;No matter how hard the child strove, they could never reach that full approval.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If we translate that into going in front of an audience, it&amp;#8217;s almost like the performer can put the burden of the response on the audience before they&amp;#8217;ve even performed. &lt;span class="citation-196 citation-end-196"&gt;&amp;#8220;I know that they&amp;#8217;re not going to like me because my technique isn&amp;#8217;t up to snuff, and Sally Jane, who just sang before me, is a much stronger singer. They&amp;#8217;re going to like her better.&amp;#8221; &lt;/span&gt;All those thoughts are racing through someone&amp;#8217;s head. That&amp;#8217;s a huge burden to carry. &lt;span class="citation-195 citation-end-195"&gt;And then to say, &amp;#8220;I&amp;#8217;ve got this incredible message I want to share with you,&amp;#8221; and yet it&amp;#8217;s hampered by all this going on in the mind.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#8217;s just the hamster wheel. &lt;span class="citation-194 citation-end-194"&gt;It&amp;#8217;s exhausting.&lt;/span&gt; So working through where that lack of validation started and how is it different now? And taking that burden off the audience. &lt;span class="citation-193 citation-end-193"&gt;What if we actually allow them to just respond however they&amp;#8217;re going to respond? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="citation-192 citation-end-192"&gt;It’s about trusting the process more than trying to exert so much control over it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Can trauma cause a literal or psychological loss of voice?&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Caleb:&lt;/b&gt; You wrote, &amp;#8220;When the silenced voice is that of a singer, issues of both childhood sexual abuse and singing are compounded.&amp;#8221; Can you unpack that a little bit? &lt;span class="citation-191 citation-end-191"&gt;Are we talking about a literal loss of vocal function, a psychological block, or both?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ron:&lt;/b&gt; It can be both. There&amp;#8217;s something called Muscle Tension Dysphonia, which can come from a variety of things, and one of them is trauma. I have worked with singers who have experienced trauma and within a few days, lost their voice because something traumatic happened. The muscles through here get really tight. &lt;span class="citation-190 citation-end-190"&gt;So it can be psychological that affects the physical, for sure.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another one is called Mutational Falsetto or Puberphonia. That can happen with young men when they&amp;#8217;re going through puberty. It just means the voice doesn&amp;#8217;t change. &lt;span class="citation-189 citation-end-189"&gt;Typically the voice will drop an octave, but with Puberphonia, they&amp;#8217;ll go right through it and the voice won&amp;#8217;t drop.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="citation-188 citation-end-188"&gt;Those are sometimes indicative of something traumatic that&amp;#8217;s happened where the young man just can&amp;#8217;t get through into that lower voice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;How can a teacher create safety and avoid triggering a student?&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Caleb:&lt;/b&gt; It was fascinating to read that even specific pedagogical exercises can be triggering for a singer. &lt;span class="citation-187 citation-end-187"&gt;When a singer works with you, how do you create that sense of safety that allows them to explore their voice without that fear of being re-traumatized?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="citation-186"&gt;Ron:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span class="citation-186 citation-end-186"&gt; I just discovered this more and more into my years of teaching, when I started to become more sensitive towards things that could possibly be triggering. &lt;/span&gt;For example, alignment and breathing are the basics of singing. I would get students to stand against a wall to line their body up and feel their shoulders opening back. Some of those positions can be a little bit triggering. If I open my chest up wide, it&amp;#8217;s a very open, vulnerable position. &lt;span class="citation-185 citation-end-185"&gt;You need to be really sensitive to what you&amp;#8217;re asking.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Next is breathing. If they&amp;#8217;re having a lot of body armoring, especially in the lower region, you find creative ways. Sometimes we can sit on the edge of a chair and bend forward to feel what&amp;#8217;s happening. Sometimes that position might not be the best. &lt;span class="citation-184 citation-end-184"&gt;Sometimes we&amp;#8217;ll hang over to connect—that can be very triggering for somebody.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="citation-183 citation-end-183"&gt;And also just being aware of your position in the room so that they&amp;#8217;re in no way feeling uncomfortable. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="citation-182 citation-end-182"&gt;It&amp;#8217;s about being incredibly sensitive and creating a space where, if an exercise isn&amp;#8217;t easy for them, you can be more creative and try something else.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;What does the beginning of the therapeutic journey look like for a performer?&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Caleb:&lt;/b&gt; Imagine a professional singer comes to you feeling stuck. Maybe they&amp;#8217;ve lost their upper range or are battling crippling performance anxiety. &lt;span class="citation-181 citation-end-181"&gt;What does the beginning of that journey with you look like, and how do you build that foundation of trust?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ron:&lt;/b&gt; I think just creating a space where it&amp;#8217;s okay for them to make ugly sounds. Whatever&amp;#8217;s going on—&amp;#8221;I lost my upper range,&amp;#8221; &amp;#8220;I push when I get to my&amp;#8230;&amp;#8221;—those types of things. &lt;span class="citation-180 citation-end-180"&gt;It&amp;#8217;s, &amp;#8220;You know what, that&amp;#8217;s okay. There are many who have gone before you.&amp;#8221; &lt;/span&gt;Just creating that space where you just don&amp;#8217;t have to be perfect. &lt;span class="citation-179 citation-end-179"&gt;There is no perfect singer.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I like to say, &amp;#8220;Let’s just make some ugly sounds and see what&amp;#8217;s going on.&amp;#8221; Just freely going on a discovery adventure together, like, &amp;#8220;Let&amp;#8217;s see what we find!&amp;#8221; &lt;span class="citation-178 citation-end-178"&gt;The permission to not have it all together opens up space for curiosity, which opens up space for new learning, discovery, and healing. &lt;/span&gt;It&amp;#8217;s a free space. Let&amp;#8217;s just go find what we&amp;#8217;re going to find, and it&amp;#8217;s okay to find whatever. &lt;span class="citation-177 citation-end-177"&gt;Let&amp;#8217;s look at this together.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;h2&gt;Can you share an anonymized story of transformation?&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Caleb:&lt;/b&gt; The goal, of course, is healing and liberation in a person&amp;#8217;s voice and body. Could you share an anonymized story of transformation? &lt;span class="citation-176 citation-end-176"&gt;A client who came with a specific block and what they were able to achieve after working through the underlying trauma?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ron:&lt;/b&gt; Yeah, for sure. There&amp;#8217;s one story especially that comes to mind, and this individual has given me her permission to tell her story. A young lady came early on in my career as a professor, and I&amp;#8217;m incredibly grateful for what she taught me. She came to my studio and she was a larger-bodied young lady who looked like she should have a big, huge sound. &lt;span class="citation-175 citation-end-175"&gt;And she was very musical, had sung for quite a while.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We were working in a lesson, and she had this thin, high sound, which is kind of indicative of the larynx being pretty high. We were getting nowhere. &lt;span class="citation-174 citation-end-174"&gt;Finally, one day we just stopped and I said, &amp;#8220;Why don&amp;#8217;t you look in the mirror and just say, &amp;#8216;I&amp;#8217;m beautiful.'&amp;#8221; &lt;sup class="superscript" data-turn-source-index="51"&gt;51&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="citation-173 citation-end-173"&gt;She looked and said, &amp;#8220;I&amp;#8217;m beautiful,&amp;#8221; and I said, &amp;#8220;Maybe we could try that with a little bit more believing behind it.&amp;#8221;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="citation-172 citation-end-172"&gt;And then she broke down and started to explain the trauma that had happened in her life.&lt;/span&gt; I wasn&amp;#8217;t a counselor at the time, but we recommended that she go and talk to somebody. She did, and she started working through this. &lt;span class="citation-171 citation-end-171"&gt;She lost a significant amount of weight, which actually really affected her voice.&lt;/span&gt; It&amp;#8217;s almost like she lost that voice and we had to start rebuilding from the bottom up. &lt;span class="citation-170 citation-end-170"&gt;She was singing soprano and she turned into this beautiful, big mezzo voice.&lt;/span&gt; She went on to her bachelor&amp;#8217;s and master&amp;#8217;s in singing and has taught for quite a while. &lt;span class="citation-169 citation-end-169"&gt;It&amp;#8217;s just amazing to see that freedom in her story, in her person, and in her singing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;h2&gt;What is one first step a performer can take toward healing?&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="citation-168"&gt;Caleb:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span class="citation-168 citation-end-168"&gt; For that performer listening right now and thinking, &amp;#8220;This is me,&amp;#8221; what is one thing you&amp;#8217;d encourage them to do today, after this show ends, to start their journey towards reclaiming their voice?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ron:&lt;/b&gt; I just think it&amp;#8217;s so important that you talk to somebody. &lt;span class="citation-167 citation-end-167"&gt;Just to start that journey. &lt;/span&gt;In the story of this young lady, she felt safe enough to just say, &amp;#8220;Here&amp;#8217;s my story.&amp;#8221; So just starting to verbalize part of that to anybody who can start walking alongside you. Because stuffing it down just never works. &lt;span class="citation-166 citation-end-166"&gt;It&amp;#8217;s going to manifest itself in some way.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="citation-165 citation-end-165"&gt;This whole idea that &amp;#8220;the body keeps the score&amp;#8221;—it really does, and it will start to show up. &lt;/span&gt;When singers have trauma and they haven&amp;#8217;t ever talked about it, or they&amp;#8217;re stuffing it down hoping no one notices, it&amp;#8217;s going to show up somewhere. So just that initial bit of talking to anybody who can get you on a path towards healing is just so amazing. And it takes a lot of courage. That first step, it&amp;#8217;s the good old &amp;#8220;name it to tame it.&amp;#8221; &lt;span class="citation-164 citation-end-164"&gt;There&amp;#8217;s something so powerful about stating your truth and sharing your story.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;h3&gt;Your Healing Journey&lt;/h3&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This conversation highlights a profound truth: the path to a free and authentic voice is often intertwined with the path of personal healing. Recognizing that a vocal block or performance anxiety may be a message from your past is a courageous first step. You don&amp;#8217;t have to navigate this journey alone.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If this story resonates with you and you&amp;#8217;re ready to explore what healing could look like, our team of specialized, compassionate therapists is here to help.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Take the first step:&lt;/b&gt; &lt;a class="ng-star-inserted" href="https://therapevo.com/trauma-therapy/childhood-sexual-abuse-trauma-therapy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;Book a free, confidential 20-minute consultation&lt;/a&gt; with our intake team to find the right therapist for you.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Connect with Ron:&lt;/b&gt; You can learn more about Ron de Jager and his specialized work with performers on his &lt;a class="ng-star-inserted" href="https://therapevo.com/our-team/ron-de-jager/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;bio page&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
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Normalize therapy.

Caleb & Verlynda Simonyi-Gindele

Is Past Trauma Affecting Your Singing Voice?

OCT 13, 202538 MIN
Normalize therapy.

Is Past Trauma Affecting Your Singing Voice?

OCT 13, 202538 MIN

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<div id="model-response-message-contentr_6dca77f7a30d551d" class="markdown markdown-main-panel stronger enable-updated-hr-color" dir="ltr"> <p>For many performers, the voice can feel like a mystery. You practice the techniques, you know the music, but a persistent block, chronic tension, or crippling stage fright holds you back from your true potential. What if the root of that struggle isn&#8217;t in your technique, but in your history?</p> <p>The body keeps a score of our experiences, and for a singer, whose very instrument is their body, the <a href="https://therapevo.com/podcasts/childhood-trauma-adult-life-healing/">impact of past trauma</a> can be profound. Unresolved trauma can manifest as physical &#8220;body armoring,&#8221; a deep sense of being unsafe on stage, and a destructive inner critic.</p> <p>To explore this powerful connection, Therapevo’s Caleb Simonyi-Gindele sat down with our colleague <a href="https://therapevo.com/our-team/ron-de-jager/">Ron de Jager</a>. Ron lives at the unique intersection of world-class performance and clinical counselling. As a Doctor of Musical Arts, an accomplished vocalist, and a specialist therapist, he offers a unique and compassionate perspective on what it takes to heal the instrument and set your voice free.</p> <p>https://youtu.be/h67KrGHF7hg</p> <p>Here is a polished transcript of their conversation.</p> <hr /> <h2>Why is a singer’s experience of trauma so profoundly different?</h2> <p><b>Caleb:</b> For our listeners, can you start by explaining one of the powerful statements from your research: &#8220;A singer&#8217;s body is his or her instrument.&#8221; <span class="citation-224 citation-end-224">Why does that make a singer&#8217;s experience of trauma so profoundly different?</span></p> <p><b>Ron:</b> I started as a pianist, so my instrument was here in front of me. It was me and the instrument, and the audience was there. Then all of a sudden, you take that away and it&#8217;s just me. <span class="citation-223 citation-end-223">That becomes a much more vulnerable situation.</span></p> <p>When you&#8217;re vulnerable, more things will start to show up. We might be a little bit naive in thinking that we&#8217;ve got it masked and covered very well, but sometimes the audience is pretty perceptive. <span class="citation-222 citation-end-222">No matter our best job at covering it, our body will still show certain things. </span>As a singing teacher, I started to become aware of those things, like, &#8220;Where is that showing up, why is it showing up, and what is it indicative of?&#8221; <span class="citation-221 citation-end-221">It&#8217;s a symptom of something rather than just being the problem.</span></p> <p><span class="citation-220 citation-end-220">Just something like getting nervous—if you get a little nervous when you&#8217;re speaking, the voice can start to quiver, you don&#8217;t get enough breath underneath it, and all of a sudden you squeak and crack. </span><span class="citation-219 citation-end-219">That body stuff might show up more for singers than other kinds of musicians because it&#8217;s just you and your voice out there.</span></p> <h2>How can past trauma manifest in a singer’s performance?</h2> <p><b><span class="citation-218">Caleb:</span></b><span class="citation-218 citation-end-218"> You&#8217;ve said that trauma affects the entire organism—physical, mental, social, and spiritual. </span><span class="citation-217 citation-end-217">Can you give us an example of how a past trauma, like childhood sexual abuse, might manifest in a singer&#8217;s voice or performance in a way that most of us would probably not even recognize?</span></p> <p><b>Ron:</b> For sure. Especially if it&#8217;s undealt with, it can show up physically in different ways. Some things that I&#8217;ve noticed with singers is locking through the lower abdominal areas, through the solar plexus, and right into the pelvis. <span class="citation-216 citation-end-216">It can be in the knees and the buttocks as well.</span> All those areas will just lock and get tense. <span class="citation-215 citation-end-215">It can be jaw or tongue tension as well. </span><span class="citation-214 citation-end-214">You can see it sometimes if the individual is really trying to get sound out without releasing; you can see trembling in the lower abdominal area.</span></p> <p>Jaw tension is often a position of &#8220;we&#8217;re not going to let anybody in.&#8221; In a place where you&#8217;re trying to express very openly and freely, when you&#8217;re not letting people in, people can see something&#8217;s going on there. <span class="citation-213 citation-end-213">If the tongue is really tense, it will pull the larynx high, which means you&#8217;re going to have to work extra hard.</span> Imagine if we&#8217;ve got tension here, and here, and we&#8217;re trying to make a free sound—how much that&#8217;s going to hold the singer back, not just in their sound, but in their storytelling. <span class="citation-212 citation-end-212">You&#8217;re working against all these roadblocks.</span></p> <h2>How can singing be both healing and re-traumatizing?</h2> <p><b>Caleb:</b> Many people see singing as a joyful and expressive act. <span class="citation-211 citation-end-211">How does unresolved trauma create a paradox where the very act of singing can be both a source of potential healing and, simultaneously, a source of re-traumatization?</span></p> <p><b>Ron:</b> Music is such an amazing healer, and we can never underestimate that. From a singer&#8217;s standpoint, the fact that we have to inhale from a really deep place and then release breath—that breathing itself is cathartic. <span class="citation-210 citation-end-210">But then feeling that all of a sudden we can make sounds, that we actually have a voice and that voice matters.</span></p> <p><span class="citation-209 citation-end-209">Often with abuse, the voice is squelched, physically or psychologically.</span> If there was ever a time when the individual felt that their voice didn&#8217;t matter, all of a sudden it starts to matter. You have something worth saying. <span class="citation-208 citation-end-208">And you don&#8217;t have to just say it with words; you can say it with music added to it, because there&#8217;s so much more behind it.</span></p> <p>At the same time, it can be retraumatizing. I never really thought about this until I was working with singers more and I would ask them to breathe low. You’d think, &#8220;Why can&#8217;t they let go? Just breathe.&#8221; But especially if there&#8217;s been childhood sexual abuse, we&#8217;re asking them to release the very part of their body where they were violated. <span class="citation-207 citation-end-207">There&#8217;s no wonder they can&#8217;t.</span> So this is a much more gentle process, and you have to be patient. It&#8217;s about finding that space that&#8217;s safe to let go. <span class="citation-206 citation-end-206">That part can be incredibly healing—letting go of the violation as well while you&#8217;re breathing.</span></p> <h2>What is “body armoring” and what are the signs?</h2> <p><b>Caleb:</b> You use the term &#8220;body armoring.&#8221; <span class="citation-205 citation-end-205">In your work with singers, what are the first things you look for that tell you that their technical struggle is possibly more rooted in trauma rather than a lack of training?</span></p> <p><b>Ron:</b> That&#8217;s a great question. <span class="citation-204 citation-end-204">I think it&#8217;s probably the persistence of whatever technical thing that we&#8217;re trying to overcome, that there&#8217;s just no release in it.</span> When you listen to a singer, some things you watch for are physical things. Is there actual holding on? Is there tension? How about the release of breath? <span class="citation-203 citation-end-203">Can they actually just sigh and make it sound consistent?</span></p> <p>Then the actual sound can tell you a fair amount. The rate of vibrato, which is just a natural wave if the voice is free. If that vibrato is typically really fast, we call that a tremolo. If it gets really wide, we call that a wobble. <span class="citation-202 citation-end-202">That can be from a lack of proper breath movement or hypertension through here. </span>The sound can tell you a lot. And lastly, how they interpret a piece. <span class="citation-201 citation-end-201">Are there certain pieces that are traumatic for them that they just can&#8217;t connect with?</span><span class="citation-200 citation-end-200">Maybe it&#8217;s too close to home for them to connect with where they&#8217;re at in their journey.</span></p> <h2>How does attachment history make the stage feel unsafe?</h2> <p><b>Caleb:</b> Performers often seek validation from an audience. <span class="citation-199 citation-end-199">How might a history of insecure attachment, which so often stems from childhood trauma, amplify that need for approval and turn the stage into a place that feels very unsafe?</span></p> <p><b><span class="citation-198">Ron:</span></b><span class="citation-198 citation-end-198"> If there&#8217;s been a time when an <a href="https://therapevo.com/podcasts/the-5-pillars-of-attachment/">attachment has been broken</a>, especially between primary caregivers like a father or mother, it definitely transfers over into, &#8220;We want to be accepted and we want to be good enough.&#8221; </span>Especially if a parent expected more of a child, and what they did was never good enough. <span class="citation-197 citation-end-197">No matter how hard the child strove, they could never reach that full approval.</span></p> <p>If we translate that into going in front of an audience, it&#8217;s almost like the performer can put the burden of the response on the audience before they&#8217;ve even performed. <span class="citation-196 citation-end-196">&#8220;I know that they&#8217;re not going to like me because my technique isn&#8217;t up to snuff, and Sally Jane, who just sang before me, is a much stronger singer. They&#8217;re going to like her better.&#8221; </span>All those thoughts are racing through someone&#8217;s head. That&#8217;s a huge burden to carry. <span class="citation-195 citation-end-195">And then to say, &#8220;I&#8217;ve got this incredible message I want to share with you,&#8221; and yet it&#8217;s hampered by all this going on in the mind.</span></p> <p>It&#8217;s just the hamster wheel. <span class="citation-194 citation-end-194">It&#8217;s exhausting.</span> So working through where that lack of validation started and how is it different now? And taking that burden off the audience. <span class="citation-193 citation-end-193">What if we actually allow them to just respond however they&#8217;re going to respond? </span><span class="citation-192 citation-end-192">It’s about trusting the process more than trying to exert so much control over it.</span></p> <h2>Can trauma cause a literal or psychological loss of voice?</h2> <p><b>Caleb:</b> You wrote, &#8220;When the silenced voice is that of a singer, issues of both childhood sexual abuse and singing are compounded.&#8221; Can you unpack that a little bit? <span class="citation-191 citation-end-191">Are we talking about a literal loss of vocal function, a psychological block, or both?</span></p> <p><b>Ron:</b> It can be both. There&#8217;s something called Muscle Tension Dysphonia, which can come from a variety of things, and one of them is trauma. I have worked with singers who have experienced trauma and within a few days, lost their voice because something traumatic happened. The muscles through here get really tight. <span class="citation-190 citation-end-190">So it can be psychological that affects the physical, for sure.</span></p> <p>Another one is called Mutational Falsetto or Puberphonia. That can happen with young men when they&#8217;re going through puberty. It just means the voice doesn&#8217;t change. <span class="citation-189 citation-end-189">Typically the voice will drop an octave, but with Puberphonia, they&#8217;ll go right through it and the voice won&#8217;t drop.</span><span class="citation-188 citation-end-188">Those are sometimes indicative of something traumatic that&#8217;s happened where the young man just can&#8217;t get through into that lower voice.</span></p> <h2>How can a teacher create safety and avoid triggering a student?</h2> <p><b>Caleb:</b> It was fascinating to read that even specific pedagogical exercises can be triggering for a singer. <span class="citation-187 citation-end-187">When a singer works with you, how do you create that sense of safety that allows them to explore their voice without that fear of being re-traumatized?</span></p> <p><b><span class="citation-186">Ron:</span></b><span class="citation-186 citation-end-186"> I just discovered this more and more into my years of teaching, when I started to become more sensitive towards things that could possibly be triggering. </span>For example, alignment and breathing are the basics of singing. I would get students to stand against a wall to line their body up and feel their shoulders opening back. Some of those positions can be a little bit triggering. If I open my chest up wide, it&#8217;s a very open, vulnerable position. <span class="citation-185 citation-end-185">You need to be really sensitive to what you&#8217;re asking.</span></p> <p>Next is breathing. If they&#8217;re having a lot of body armoring, especially in the lower region, you find creative ways. Sometimes we can sit on the edge of a chair and bend forward to feel what&#8217;s happening. Sometimes that position might not be the best. <span class="citation-184 citation-end-184">Sometimes we&#8217;ll hang over to connect—that can be very triggering for somebody.</span><span class="citation-183 citation-end-183">And also just being aware of your position in the room so that they&#8217;re in no way feeling uncomfortable. </span><span class="citation-182 citation-end-182">It&#8217;s about being incredibly sensitive and creating a space where, if an exercise isn&#8217;t easy for them, you can be more creative and try something else.</span></p> <h2>What does the beginning of the therapeutic journey look like for a performer?</h2> <p><b>Caleb:</b> Imagine a professional singer comes to you feeling stuck. Maybe they&#8217;ve lost their upper range or are battling crippling performance anxiety. <span class="citation-181 citation-end-181">What does the beginning of that journey with you look like, and how do you build that foundation of trust?</span></p> <p><b>Ron:</b> I think just creating a space where it&#8217;s okay for them to make ugly sounds. Whatever&#8217;s going on—&#8221;I lost my upper range,&#8221; &#8220;I push when I get to my&#8230;&#8221;—those types of things. <span class="citation-180 citation-end-180">It&#8217;s, &#8220;You know what, that&#8217;s okay. There are many who have gone before you.&#8221; </span>Just creating that space where you just don&#8217;t have to be perfect. <span class="citation-179 citation-end-179">There is no perfect singer.</span></p> <p>I like to say, &#8220;Let’s just make some ugly sounds and see what&#8217;s going on.&#8221; Just freely going on a discovery adventure together, like, &#8220;Let&#8217;s see what we find!&#8221; <span class="citation-178 citation-end-178">The permission to not have it all together opens up space for curiosity, which opens up space for new learning, discovery, and healing. </span>It&#8217;s a free space. Let&#8217;s just go find what we&#8217;re going to find, and it&#8217;s okay to find whatever. <span class="citation-177 citation-end-177">Let&#8217;s look at this together.</span></p> </div> <div id="model-response-message-contentr_6dca77f7a30d551d" class="markdown markdown-main-panel stronger enable-updated-hr-color" dir="ltr"> <h2>Can you share an anonymized story of transformation?</h2> <p><b>Caleb:</b> The goal, of course, is healing and liberation in a person&#8217;s voice and body. Could you share an anonymized story of transformation? <span class="citation-176 citation-end-176">A client who came with a specific block and what they were able to achieve after working through the underlying trauma?</span></p> <p><b>Ron:</b> Yeah, for sure. There&#8217;s one story especially that comes to mind, and this individual has given me her permission to tell her story. A young lady came early on in my career as a professor, and I&#8217;m incredibly grateful for what she taught me. She came to my studio and she was a larger-bodied young lady who looked like she should have a big, huge sound. <span class="citation-175 citation-end-175">And she was very musical, had sung for quite a while.</span></p> <p>We were working in a lesson, and she had this thin, high sound, which is kind of indicative of the larynx being pretty high. We were getting nowhere. <span class="citation-174 citation-end-174">Finally, one day we just stopped and I said, &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you look in the mirror and just say, &#8216;I&#8217;m beautiful.'&#8221; <sup class="superscript" data-turn-source-index="51">51</sup></span><span class="citation-173 citation-end-173">She looked and said, &#8220;I&#8217;m beautiful,&#8221; and I said, &#8220;Maybe we could try that with a little bit more believing behind it.&#8221;</span></p> <p><span class="citation-172 citation-end-172">And then she broke down and started to explain the trauma that had happened in her life.</span> I wasn&#8217;t a counselor at the time, but we recommended that she go and talk to somebody. She did, and she started working through this. <span class="citation-171 citation-end-171">She lost a significant amount of weight, which actually really affected her voice.</span> It&#8217;s almost like she lost that voice and we had to start rebuilding from the bottom up. <span class="citation-170 citation-end-170">She was singing soprano and she turned into this beautiful, big mezzo voice.</span> She went on to her bachelor&#8217;s and master&#8217;s in singing and has taught for quite a while. <span class="citation-169 citation-end-169">It&#8217;s just amazing to see that freedom in her story, in her person, and in her singing.</span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <h2>What is one first step a performer can take toward healing?</h2> <p><b><span class="citation-168">Caleb:</span></b><span class="citation-168 citation-end-168"> For that performer listening right now and thinking, &#8220;This is me,&#8221; what is one thing you&#8217;d encourage them to do today, after this show ends, to start their journey towards reclaiming their voice?</span></p> <p><b>Ron:</b> I just think it&#8217;s so important that you talk to somebody. <span class="citation-167 citation-end-167">Just to start that journey. </span>In the story of this young lady, she felt safe enough to just say, &#8220;Here&#8217;s my story.&#8221; So just starting to verbalize part of that to anybody who can start walking alongside you. Because stuffing it down just never works. <span class="citation-166 citation-end-166">It&#8217;s going to manifest itself in some way.</span></p> <p><span class="citation-165 citation-end-165">This whole idea that &#8220;the body keeps the score&#8221;—it really does, and it will start to show up. </span>When singers have trauma and they haven&#8217;t ever talked about it, or they&#8217;re stuffing it down hoping no one notices, it&#8217;s going to show up somewhere. So just that initial bit of talking to anybody who can get you on a path towards healing is just so amazing. And it takes a lot of courage. That first step, it&#8217;s the good old &#8220;name it to tame it.&#8221; <span class="citation-164 citation-end-164">There&#8217;s something so powerful about stating your truth and sharing your story.</span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <h3>Your Healing Journey</h3> <p>This conversation highlights a profound truth: the path to a free and authentic voice is often intertwined with the path of personal healing. Recognizing that a vocal block or performance anxiety may be a message from your past is a courageous first step. You don&#8217;t have to navigate this journey alone.</p> <p>If this story resonates with you and you&#8217;re ready to explore what healing could look like, our team of specialized, compassionate therapists is here to help.</p> <ul> <li><b>Take the first step:</b> <a class="ng-star-inserted" href="https://therapevo.com/trauma-therapy/childhood-sexual-abuse-trauma-therapy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Book a free, confidential 20-minute consultation</a> with our intake team to find the right therapist for you.</li> <li><b>Connect with Ron:</b> You can learn more about Ron de Jager and his specialized work with performers on his <a class="ng-star-inserted" href="https://therapevo.com/our-team/ron-de-jager/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">bio page</a>.</li> </ul> </div>