Impact Pricing

Mark Stiving, Ph.D.

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The Impact Pricing Podcast will help you win more business at higher prices by teaching you about pricing and value. Once you understand how your buyers perceive the value of your product, you can build, market and sell products that win at higher prices. Pricing is really about creating, communicating and capturing value.

Recent Episodes

OCT 19, 2026
Seats, Credits, or AI Agents? The New Rules of SaaS Pricing with Rob Litterst
What happens when AI changes what software can do faster than companies can figure out how to charge for it? Rob Litterst is co-founder of Pricing SaaS, focused on SaaS pricing and AI monetization, and a former pricing strategist at ProfitWell. His work explores how software companies price, package, and monetize products as AI changes the value they deliver. In this episode, Rob and Mark Stiving unpack the shift from seat-based subscriptions to credits, usage-based pricing, AI agents, and outcome-based models. They explore why customers may still prefer familiar pricing, when credits make sense, and why pricing should start with buyer segmentation rather than the latest trend. Why You Have to Check Out Today's Podcast: Understand why credits are gaining traction and how they can give vendors cost control while offering buyers flexibility. Learn why broad platforms may suit credit models, while focused solutions can be easier to price around specific outcomes. Discover why outcome-based pricing is difficult to implement, from agreeing on outcomes to proving attribution and earning buyer acceptance. Explore how hybrid seat-and-credit models can introduce AI without disrupting existing customer relationships. See why understanding buyer personas and segmentation is foundational to pricing and packaging. "The more specific your solution, the more specific the pain points you're solving, the more specific the outcomes that you're generating, the easier it is to price on a consistent outcome and kind of, like, prove that out." — Rob Litterst Topics Covered: 01:00 – How Rob Found His Way Into Pricing. From SaaS sales at HubSpot to startups and ProfitWell, Rob explains how pricing and packaging shaped his experience. 04:30 – Value Metrics vs. Pricing Metrics. Mark and Rob debate the terminology and the difference between what customers perceive as value and what a company charges for. 09:30 – Are Credits Just Company Currency? Why credits can help broad platforms support different use cases while keeping subscription costs predictable. 12:00 – Platforms vs. Solutions: When Credits Make Sense. The more specific the problem and outcome, the easier it may be to price a solution directly rather than through credits. 16:00 – Why Hybrid Pricing Is Taking Off. How companies combine seats and credit allowances to introduce AI while preserving familiar customer relationships. 18:30 – Can AI-Native Services Charge for Outcomes? The conversation explores software companies that use AI to deliver a job or service and price around the result. 20:30 – Why Outcome-Based Pricing Is So Hard. Customers and vendors must agree on the outcome, the vendor must deliver it, and the impact must be proven and attributed. 26:00 – The Hidden Profit Advantage of AI. Rob explains how selecting and routing to the right AI model for each task could improve product economics. 28:30 – Why Buyer Segmentation Comes First. Rob shares the ProfitWell sequence: buyer persona, pricing structure, packaging, and then price points. 31:00 – The Pricing Fundamentals That Still Matter. Why knowing the buyer and understanding pricing fundamentals remain essential even as AI changes the market. Key Takeaways: "Customers just want to pay for a seat." – Rob Litterst "Credits can offer flexibility for broad platforms, but buyers may prefer direct pricing when the solution and outcome are clear." – Rob Litterst "I think a bunch of companies have tried to go to market with outcome-based pricing and found out that their customers just have no interest in it. Like, they don't want it. They just wanna pay for a seat." – Rob Litterst Connect with Rob Litterst: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/roblitterst/ Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: [email protected]
32 MIN
OCT 12, 2026
Why Pricing Transformation Fails Without Leadership with Anna Fastishevskaya
What if the biggest obstacle to pricing transformation isn't the pricing strategy itself, but getting people to change? Anna Fastishevskaya leads commercial finance and pricing for Eaton across EMEA, bringing experience in finance, commercial strategy, profitable growth, and pricing transformation. She also has an unexpected perspective on leadership: she's a theater actress who uses acting techniques to help people communicate, connect, and lead change. In this episode, Anna explains why pricing needs a seat at the leadership table, how companies can move beyond selling products to delivering customer value, and why trust, transparency, and stakeholder alignment are essential to successful pricing transformation. Why You Have to Check Out Today's Podcast: Discover why pricing should be positioned at a senior level and connected to the broader revenue generation strategy. Learn how pricing leaders can help teams embrace change, align stakeholders, and communicate customer value more effectively. See how theater techniques can help leaders tell better stories, connect with their audience, and lead transformation without losing authenticity. "Plan early for different types of scenarios and play transparently with the customers and the stakeholders so that the trust is really being built. The biggest thing that everybody hates is surprises." — Anna Fastishevskaya Topics Covered: 02:00 – From Commercial Finance to Pricing Leadership. How Anna's background in finance and profitable growth prepared her to lead pricing transformation. 03:30 – Why Customer Value Comes Before the Price. Why building long-term customer relationships and delivering value matter more than simply closing today's order. 05:00 – Who Should Own Pricing? Why Anna believes pricing should have a seat at the senior leadership table and be part of a broader revenue generation strategy. 09:00 – The Challenge of Selling Value Instead of Products. Why manufacturers need to identify monetizable customer value and bring customers along on the journey. 11:00 – Why Pricing Transformation Needs Leadership. How leaders can help teams adapt when expectations for results move faster than people's ability to change. 14:30 – What Theater Teaches Us About Leadership. How Anna uses acting and audience feedback to sharpen communication and make business stories clearer and more impactful. 19:00 – Why Pricing Teams Need Emotional Intelligence. How empathy, stakeholder alignment, and leadership engagement help pricing teams succeed across an organization. 20:30 – How to Tell a Story That Connects. Anna shares a practical coaching technique: develop a short personal story tailored to your audience to create a stronger connection. 23:30 – The Pricing Advice That Builds Trust. Anna's advice on planning for different scenarios and communicating transparently with customers and stakeholders. Key Takeaways: "We cannot succeed in isolation. This is the teamwork from the broadest perspective of organization." – Anna Fastishevskaya "Plan early for different types of scenarios and play transparently with the customers and the stakeholders so that the trust is really being built." – Anna Fastishevskaya Connect with Anna Fastishevskaya: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-fastishevskaya/ Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: [email protected]
24 MIN