The Shelf Is a Zero-Sum Game: Wilde Brands Senior Director Justin Bomberowitz on Growing Challenger CPGs in the Agentic Commerce Era
This episode was recorded live at the RetailClub AI Festival in Huntington Beach (Sept 22โ24), where Jason Goldberg and I set up shop to record with retail and e-commerce leaders between sessions. Youโll hear a few nods to the festival in the conversation, and if thereโs a little extra crunch in the audio, blame the snacks. We start with a quick tour of every CPG brand Justin has worked for, and the very scientific method he uses to pick the next one. From there it turns into a crash course in how challenger brands actually grow: the brutal economics of the physical shelf, why big brand houses are reshuffling their portfolios, and what it really takes to get into Costco and stay there. Thereโs also a snack reveal and a crunch our audio engineer will never forget. Hit play. Highlights ๐ง๐ต๐ฒ ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐น๐ณ ๐ถ๐ ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ผ-๐๐๐บ: โWe havenโt added any square footage into a shelf.โ When an emerging brand earns its way in from the innovation aisle, something else has to come out. โ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ฟ๐ผ๐ป๐ดโ: A year ago Justin would have said TikTok Shop would never be a main part of his job. Then came โa tsunami of interest,โ and today Wilde runs live selling on TikTok Shop and Whatnot. ๐ง๐ต๐ฒ ๐๐ผ๐๐๐ฐ๐ผ ๐๐ต๐ฟ๐ฒ๐๐ต๐ผ๐น๐ฑ: Landing a Costco rotation is the moment brands post the hype video. If you miss the sales threshold, you donโt get a repeat, and the regional buyers talk to each other. ๐ฆ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐๐ฒ๐น๐น๐: โConversions go up the faster you get delivery.โ Justin says ship-from-store is the fastest-growing part of Walmart digital, and if your product isnโt in that store, the conversion you paid Walmart Connect for disappears. ๐๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐น๐ฒ, ๐ฒ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ ๐ญ๐๐ฃ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐ฑ๐ฒ: With two years of Amazon sales mapped by ZIP code, Justin can see that barbecue over-indexes in the Southeast and sea salt and vinegar in the Northeast. With AI, building creative for those regions is now quick. ๐ข๐ป๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ป๐๐ฟ๐ฎ๐น ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฟ๐๐ผ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ฒ๐บ: Instead of building agents on top of separate data silos, Wilde built a data lake. Target store data, Roundel media, Shipt, Instacart, and DoorDash data all sit in one place, so a sales lead can ask a small language model what to do next. ๐ง๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ผ๐บ๐ผ-๐๐ฎ๐๐ฐ๐ต๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ฎ๐ด๐ฒ๐ป๐: When a retailerโs promotion drops a price on Instacart, one of Justinโs agents spots it through the API and flags it. He then decides whether to push ads to new-to-brand shoppers or pause them for 30 days and let the promo do the work. ๐จ๐๐ฒ ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐บ ๐ฎ๐น๐น: Justin builds mostly in Claude but stays LLM-agnostic, trying Grok, Muse, Kimi, and NVIDIAโs open models. โDonโt let your frame just get put into one.โ ๐๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ป๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐ด๐ฒ๐ป๐๐: โI have dozens of agents that Iโm working with. That is the new norm.โ I learned more about how CPG actually works in 30 minutes with Justin than I have in years of nodding along when Jason explains it. Grab a bag of something crunchy and enjoy the conversation. Timestamps: 01:47 Disclosure: Justin is on the ReFiBuy advisory board 02:00 Every CPG brand Justin has worked at, and the spouse test 03:00 How challenger brands grow: from D2C to Walmart, Target, and Costco 03:55 Acquired or spun off: why CPG portfolios are reshuffling 04:10 Turns and the zero-sum shelf 05:10 PopCorners and the protein pivot 06:10 Social commerce is here: TikTok Shop and Whatnot live selling 06:50 Snack reveal: "I was wrong" about TikTok Shop 08:40 Plot twist: chips made of chicken breast (plus the crunch) 10:00 Making it in Costco: pallets, thresholds, and regionality 11:10 The Justin playbook: it starts with Amazon data 12:55 DoorDash comes to Costco, and why Instacart vs. DoorDash isn't zero-sum 14:00 Jason's take: another nail in the coffin for Costco? 15:05 Ship-from-store, speed, and conversion 17:15 Who gives brands better data: Amazon, Walmart, or Target? 18:15 Every sale by ZIP code: flavor geo-targeting with AI 19:15 How AI changed everything: one data lake for Target, Roundel, Shipt, and more 21:35 Walmart's 4.7-petabyte data lake and Code Puppy 23:00 The AI cheerleader and climbing the agent ladder 24:05 Instacart media and the promo-watching agent 26:00 Claude, Grok, Muse, Kimi: use them all 27:45 What's next for CPG: dozens of agents 28:45 Wrap-up ๐ Connect with Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-bomberowitz-%F0%9F%90%94-07030414/ ๐ Learn more about Wilde: https://wildebrands.com/ ๐ง Want to stay ahead in AI commerce? Subscribe and follow along: ๐ฐ Subscribe to the free Substack: retailgentic.ai ๐บ Watch episodes on YouTube & Subscribe for updates: https://www.youtube.com/@Retailgentic