<p>America loves winners—now more than ever. But how do you get to a win in 2025 America? We watch someone trying to score a win in a game whose rules are being made up as she plays.
</p><p>Visit <a href="https://thisamericanlife.supercast.com">thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners</a> to sign up for our premium subscription.</p><ul><li>Prologue: Ira talks to producer Diane Wu about an informal survey she’s done with the staff of This American Life about a phrase Ira says a lot that includes the word “winners.” (8 minutes)</li><li>Act One: Two people see one of President Trump’s first executive orders and get excited, and then get to work. (46 minutes)</li></ul><p>Transcripts are available at <a href="https://www.thisamericanlife.org/872/transcript">thisamericanlife.org</a></p><p><a href='https://www.thisamericanlife.org/page/privacy-policy'>This American Life privacy policy.</a><br /><a href='https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices'>Learn more about sponsor message choices.</a></p>
