Service Design Show

This episode falls into a pattern that's hard to ignore...I'm seeing a growing undercurrent of design leaders strongly advocating for a more sustainable approach toward work and life.It is hard to separate this development from the rise of AI, which is shaping many aspects of our lives and turning what we know upside down. Sure, there's always been a push to do more, and preferably faster and cheaper, but now with AI, it feels like the volume knob has been turned to 11.Of course, this has a significant impact on us as service design professionals. The "productivity" pressure is rising for us as well. And if we're honest, it often reaches a point where it not only takes away the fulfillment we find in our work, but also leaves us on the edge of burnout.But we're humans, not machines. We're not merely replaceable cogs in a system. So we must find an alternative.One of the leaders advocating for this more sustainable approach toward work is our guest, Birgit Geiberger. She argues that in order for us to thrive in this new reality, we must adopt a different leadership style. Birgit says we need to focus on leading with both head and heart in a way she calls regenerative leadership.In this conversation, we unpack what this form of leadership entails and why it's now more important than ever. Birgit offers ideas on how you can push back and escape the unsustainable pace of work when everything and everyone around us seems to demand more, go, go, go.We discuss what you can do on a day-to-day basis to find your grounding and stay true to who you truly are in a world where compromises are unavoidable. And finally, we investigate how you can show that doing things in a regenerative way is not just good for you, but also accelerates and increases your business impact.A great conversation, packed with hope, inspiration, and practical advice for anyone who wants to bring back the joy in their work again.What might be good to know is that I haven't selected my recent guests based on their interest in this theme, or instructed them in any way to discuss it. This is just something that emerges when I ask them to speak about what is dear to their hearts right now.If you've been listening to the Show, I'm curious if you've noticed this undercurrent as well.Enjoy the conversation and keep making a positive impact!~ Marc--- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 24904:15 Human-Centered Leadership Legacy06:30 Post-Pandemic Reflections10:00 Redefining Growth and Resources13:00 Introduction to Regenerative Leadership15:00 The Power of Self-Leadership18:30 Designing for Mental Capacity22:00 Moving Beyond Short-Term Business Thinking24:45 Breaking Functional Silos33:15 Leading through Global Uncertainty40:15 Service Design as a Cultural Catalyst47:30 Empathy as a Business Strategic Tool54:30 Scaling Influence Through Others1:00:30 Closing Reflections --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/birgitgeiberger --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle[4. FIND THE SHOW ON]Youtube ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/249-youtubeSpotify ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/249-spotifyApple ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/249-appleSnipd ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/249-snipd

Let's be real for a moment...In the corporate context, what's the thing that usually gets rewarded the most?It’s often the person who "just" grinds through the chaos, works overtime to fix a broken process, and absorbs all the organizational friction without complaining.From very early on in our careers we are taught to treat ourselves like machines that just need to carry more weight.But as Kara Snyder points out in our conversation, that is treating resilience as output. It’s performing professionalism when you are completely depleted. And it is a fast track to burnout.Instead, Kara challenges us to think about resilience as capacity. What do you actually need to sustain yourself so you can stay in this deeply human and emotionally demanding work?Because at the end of the day, the most important tool in your service design toolkit isn't a journey map or a blueprint... well, it's you.In this episode of Inside Service Design, I sit down with Kara and Siddhartha Saxena to talk about the inner game of being an in-house service design professional. We step away from the frameworks and talk about how to actually survive and thrive in this beautifully complex role.This conversation touches on topics like:How to stop measuring your worth by how much stress you can carry.How to create a "liminal space" between you and your work.And how to get to Friday and actually feel a sense of accomplishment, even when the work is messy.So if you’ve been feeling the weight of driving positive change using service design, take a deep breath, slow down, and tune into this one.How do you protect your own capacity? Have you found any specific rituals particularly helpful? Let me know, I’d love to hear how you're dealing with this.Be well,~ Marc--- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to the January 2026 Round Up!03:30 Kara’s Journey: From Accounting to PWC06:30 Facing Burnout and Personal Loss09:00 Sidd’s Journey: From Architecture to Startups11:30 Discovering Service Design as a Business Bridge12:30 Remote Healthcare in India14:00 Designing the "Nervous System" of an Organization15:45 Navigating Complexity19:00 Why Service Design Feels Like the "Wild West"19:50 Tool Spotlight: Using the Emotional Culture Deck21:30 Moving from Doing to Being24:00 Resilience in Startups vs. Corporate Safety26:15 How Personal Grief Shapes Professional Perspective31:15 The Gap Between Self and Work34:30 Why Service Designers are Natural "Absorbers"38:30 Building a Protective Layer Against Burnout41:15 Mapping the Invisible Organizational Nervous System44:45 Managing Design at Scale48:15 When to Say "No" to the Machine52:30 The Power of Invisible Labor56:15 Measuring the Value of What Can't Be Seen59:00 Protecting Your Design Culture from Company Culture1:00:15 Final Takeaways --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/karamartinsnyder/https://www.linkedin.com/in/siddhartha-saxena --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle[4. FIND THE SHOW ON ] ---Youtube ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-10-youtubeSpotify ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-10-spotifyApple ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-10-appleSnipd ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-10-snipd

It’s the one thing they didn't teach in design school...We spend years learning how to understand what drives our users, map out complex journeys, and deliver useful service prototypes. But when it comes time to sit down with business stakeholders, compliance teams, or yes even legal departments? That’s when the friction sets in.For this episode, we're joined by Belén Tello, who has a very interesting take on how we can overcome this struggle. As the Head of Design for the largest bank in Peru, Belén leads a massive team of over 150 designers. As you might imagine, because they operate in the highly regulated financial sector, they are constantly in negotiations with the rest of the business.Over the years, Belen has experienced firsthand that even the most talented design professionals often freeze up when talking to their business partners. To our own demise, we often retreat to our comfort zones, simply handing over the work and letting the business decide whether it's "good or not". Deep down, we sometimes feel like the business folks just know more than we do (not the case!).To fix this confidence gap, Belén started doing something quite radical, at least for design teams.Before a big stakeholder meeting, she runs "role play" sessions with her team. Yes, almost like lawyers preparing for a mock trial! They sit down and strategize. What do you want to say here? Who are your strongest stakeholders? Do you need me to step in and ask a specific question so you can explain your rationale?Add to that that she's been helping her team learn to speak the "common language" of the bank. And that language? It's numbers and data, obviously.As you'll hear Belén argues that we already do the hard work of gathering qualitative and quantitative insights, but we frequently fail to actually bring that data to the table in a convincing way.When you stop arguing based on subjective perception and start negotiating with facts, everything changes. You move away from being seen as just an "add-on" to the process and finally become a true strategic partner.So if you've ever felt that imposter syndrome kick in during a big meeting, this episode is pretty much a masterclass in building your confidence and growing your influence.As you listen to the episode, I’d love for you to reflect on your own work. How often are you actively translating your insights into a language the business understands? And what would help you to do that more often?Enjoy the conversation and keep making a positive impact!Be well, ~ Marc--- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 24805:00 Banking in Peru: Education over digital tools 09:00 The danger of designing only for the capital city 17:30 Negotiating with Legal and Compliance 21:00 Using data to find a common business language 23:00 Why designers struggle to speak up in business 27:00 Prepping for stakeholders like a mock trial 28:45 Finding internal sponsors who understand design 33:30 Quantifying design's impact on the business 36:15 Redesigning 200+ physical branches 41:00 Moving from transactional to relational models 45:30 Connecting with rural users 51:15 Using design's systemic view as an unfair advantage 55:30 Why listening is a designer's true superpower 58:00 Positioning design strategically 1:00:30 Closing thoughts --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/belen-tello-91028731/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle--- [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] ---Youtube ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/248-youtubeSpotify ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/248-spotifyApple ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/248-appleSnipd ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/248-snipd

Are we being left behind...Let's think about this for a moment.Architects have AutoCAD. Finance folks have Excel. Sales teams have Salesforce. The list goes on.But what do we as service design professionals have? If we're a bit cynical, you could say that often it’s a wall of sticky notes (that the cleaners throw away at night).This brings up a deep and often unspoken insecurity in our field. Could it be that our work is seen as "fluffy" or "invisible" because we lack the "hard" tools that other departments have? That is the provocative question Maxe van Heeswijk brought to the Circle community recently. She challenged us to think about whether having "our own software" would help us claim our territory and be taken more seriously by stakeholders.But to which extent can a tool be the answer to our problems?Will Sharples joined the conversation with a different take. He argues that stakeholders don't actually care about our process or our "proper" service design tools, they just want their problems solved.So in this episode of Inside Service Design, we explore this tension between wanting to be "seen" as experts and the messy reality of getting work done in-house.This conversation is packed with spicy topics like:Whether having a dedicated tool makes you more legitimate, or does it just create new silos? Why our most important work is often the hardest to measure (and get budget for).A brutal method for stripping away busy work to focus on the assets that actually tell a story.And why you are "always selling" the value of service design, even years after you’ve been hired.So, if you’ve ever felt like you’re doing important work... that nobody sees, this episode is for you.What do you feel is the service design tool at the moment? Do we even have one?Let me know, I’m really curious to hear your take!Be well, ~ Marc--- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to December Round Up01:00 Meet the Guests 04:00 From Physical Engineering to Digital Services 06:30 From Philosophy & Advertising to SD 10:15 Balancing Financial Goals vs. Trust 15:15 Securing Long-Term Funding 18:00 Why Patience is a Superpower 21:45 Thought Experiment26:30 Do We Need Professional Software?35:00 Is Design Too Democratized 44:15 Relationship Building is Slow Farming51:00 Pragmatism vs. The Design Bibles52:45 The Hidden Skill55:45 Navigating Company Politics59:30 Wrap-Up --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/maxevanheeswijk/https://www.linkedin.com/in/will-sharples-85a40580/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- If you're an in-house service design professional and want to learn from the stories of your peers, take a look at the Circle, it might just be the thing you're looking for.Join our private community for in-house service design professionals:⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle--- [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] ---Youtube ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-09-youtubeSpotify ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-09-spotifyApple ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-09-appleSnipd ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-09-snipd

If you look at the current job market, you might notice something strange... The words "service design" seem to be slowly disappearing from job titles. Does that mean our field is shrinking, or worse, becoming obsolete? Well, according to our guest, Giulia Di Gregorio, that's definitely not the case. If anything, the opposite is true. Giulia argues that while the titles might be vanishing, the practice is actually spreading. Service design is everywhere now; it's just hiding under different names. But this "diversification" creates a new challenge. If everyone has a different job title, where do you find your professional peers? Where's that safe space where you can get together to commiserate, find inspiration, and learn from each other? That's what Giulia and a few folks were thinking as well. But instead of just thinking about it they rolled up their sleeves and decided to revive Service Design Drinks Milan. This didn't become just another meetup; it became a "pirate version" of a community. And it’s been a pretty successful one.In this conversation, we explore what it looks like to run a community that's driven by volunteers, has no hierarchy, and is governed by the energy people actually have to give. We also talk about building "synergies" with other communities instead of acting like isolated islands. And we dig into why the best way to scale might be through small, independent nodes across the world rather than one big centralized network. So if you’ve been feeling a bit "homeless" in your service design role lately, this is a great conversation about reclaiming your identity and connecting with your tribe. What stuck with me is the idea that when a project starts feeling like "work," you might be heading in the wrong direction and should reconsider your options. Something to think about both in our professional context as well as in our passion projects. Enjoy the conversation and keep making a positive impact!~ Marc--- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 24707:30 Flat Hierarchies & Freedom09:30 Global Nodes vs. Centralized Networks13:30 The Toolkit Takeover17:45 Managing by Time23:15 Pirates vs. The Navy27:30 The Cost of Being Brave31:45 The Un-conferenced Model36:30 Turning Points: From Branding to COVID43:00 Learning Effortless Leadership48:00 How to Start Your Own Pirate Node55:30 Question to ponder on --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/giulialogodigregorio/https://www.linkedin.com/company/service-design-drinks-milanhttps://creativemornings.com/cities/mil --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle[4. FIND THE SHOW ON]Youtube ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/247-youtubeSpotify ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/247-spotifyApple ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/247-appleSnipd ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/247-snipd